Home
|
Help
|
Search
|
Login
|
Register
Welcome, Guest. Please
Login
or
Register
11/13/24 at 8:03am
Saturday Night Racer
›
Saturday Night Racer
›
RACE TECH
› Minimizing slag on uphill welds
‹
Previous Topic
|
Next Topic
›
Pages: 1
Send Topic
|
Print
Minimizing slag on uphill welds (Read 6997 times)
imracin68j
LMR God
Offline
Do the impossible
Posts: 6228
Minimizing slag on uphill welds
12/22/11 at 6:36pm
I feel like lately I've been chasing slags a little more than I like. Not sure if it's my welder or I'm sucking a little more lately. Any tricks, raise/lower temp or feed? Smaller wire?
Back to top
Play the all new "DANNY SIMKINS - 11 STRAIGHT - trivia game." Only at teamsimkins.com.
WWW
|
AIM
IP Logged
old dirt racer
LMR Senior
Offline
Dirt Late Models
Rule!
Posts: 265
Re: Minimizing slag on uphill welds
Reply #1 -
12/22/11 at 7:29pm
flux wire ? or gas /75/25 mix or straight c02
Back to top
IP Logged
formercrewguy
LMR God
Offline
The shrub brothers
are punks
Posts: 4293
Arizona
Re: Minimizing slag on uphill welds
Reply #2 -
12/23/11 at 9:06am
imracin68j wrote
on 12/22/11 at 6:36pm:
I feel like lately I've been chasing slags a little more than I like. Not sure if it's my welder or I'm sucking a little more lately. Any tricks, raise/lower temp or feed? Smaller wire?
Your married.................quit chasing slags!!
Back to top
"99% of Muslims aren't terrorists, but 99% of terrorists are Muslim"
IP Logged
imracin68j
LMR God
Offline
Do the impossible
Posts: 6228
Re: Minimizing slag on uphill welds
Reply #3 -
12/23/11 at 5:25pm
argon/Co2 straight copper wire.
Back to top
Play the all new "DANNY SIMKINS - 11 STRAIGHT - trivia game." Only at teamsimkins.com.
WWW
|
AIM
IP Logged
formercrewguy
LMR God
Offline
The shrub brothers
are punks
Posts: 4293
Arizona
Re: Minimizing slag on uphill welds
Reply #4 -
12/23/11 at 6:37pm
imracin68j wrote
on 12/23/11 at 5:25pm:
argon/Co2 straight copper wire.
What are you welding that is copper.....pray tell?
Back to top
"99% of Muslims aren't terrorists, but 99% of terrorists are Muslim"
IP Logged
old dirt racer
LMR Senior
Offline
Dirt Late Models
Rule!
Posts: 265
Re: Minimizing slag on uphill welds
Reply #5 -
12/23/11 at 8:30pm
lower amperage & slow down wire speed should clean up weld sounds like boiling material and pushing to much wire, also could be wind blowing gas away boiling material .one other thing make sure you start from the bottom weld up hill, welding uphill is very tuff ,slow down try stitch ,multiple spot welds,
Back to top
IP Logged
PBR Allstar
LMR Member
Offline
Posts: 122
Sonoma, Ca.
Re: Minimizing slag on uphill welds
Reply #6 -
12/24/11 at 9:59am
lots of variables. you shouldn't be getting "slag" with any sort of shielded welding. I'm going to guess you're using ER70S wire either .030 or .035? what kind of material are you welding, what style of weld is it (Tee, fillet, butt, lap)?
Traditionally I'm going to guess again we're talking about a fillet weld on tubing like a roll cage? If you have to weld uphill then like was stated before me, lower the amperage a little, and lower the wire speed a little, on top of those two you need to increase the frequency of your whipping motion. All that said, you can weld downhill, opposite rules apply, you can run a little more amperage and a lower the frequency of your whipping motion.
In my experience I weld uphill very seldom, it's almost always a structural weld involving dual sheild, flux core wire/electrode. Reason for that is the burnt flux "slag" will run into the area not yet welded which opens you up for contamination and porosity of the weld, neither of which the inspector likes. The other reason is that most structural type of welding wire/electrodes are call "slow freeze" which produce a weld that has some yield to it. these wires/electrodes will drip if you try welding downhill, whereas uphill it will stack on its self.
Lastly, this goes for any type of welding. make sure your metal is clean!!! this can be traced back to about 90% of poor welds where the set up is in the ballpark. Use a high quality degreaser on the areas to be welded, make sure it's dry and clean of oil, rust, and mill scale. if you're dealing with any rust of mill scale/carbon, then you can either grind it off or soak it in muriatic acid til it's clean, then rinse, dry, weld.
My last comment on the welding topic is a saftey concern which can benefit everyone:
DO NOT USE BRAKE CLEAN ON PARTS TO BE WELDED!!!
almost all brake cleans have derivatives of Tetrachloroethelyne which can turn to hydrogen chloride and phosgene gases when heated, both of which can cause serious nerve damage or be fatal in relatively small doses!
Back to top
IP Logged
imracin68j
LMR God
Offline
Do the impossible
Posts: 6228
Re: Minimizing slag on uphill welds
Reply #7 -
12/24/11 at 7:31pm
Good info, thanks guys.
Back to top
Play the all new "DANNY SIMKINS - 11 STRAIGHT - trivia game." Only at teamsimkins.com.
WWW
|
AIM
IP Logged
msalazar29
LMR Rookie
Offline
I love YaBB 1G -
SP1!
Posts: 66
Re: Minimizing slag on uphill welds
Reply #8 -
12/24/11 at 8:54pm
PBR has very good info and like he said make sure not to use brakeclean and if you do make sure it is completly dry before you weld the only other thing I have seen cause youre slag or dingle berrys is old wire or wire that is dirty i ran into this issue before I started using the smaller rolls of wire sense I dont weld that much only when needed
Back to top
IP Logged
PBR Allstar
LMR Member
Offline
Posts: 122
Sonoma, Ca.
Re: Minimizing slag on uphill welds
Reply #9 -
12/25/11 at 8:14am
msalazar29 wrote
on 12/24/11 at 8:54pm:
PBR has very good info and like he said make sure not to use brakeclean and if you do make sure it is completly dry before you weld the only other thing I have seen cause youre slag or dingle berrys is old wire or wire that is dirty i ran into this issue before I started using the smaller rolls of wire sense I dont weld that much only when needed
That's another really good point, and often overlooked as well. Recently at the shop I work at we bought a couple hundred pounds of wire from a shop closure, apparently it was all stored in a steel cargo container so it was exposed to lots of cold, and lots of heat, generating some amount of condensation. It was all junk, not super rusty, but you could see trace amounts, and it was enough to make for porous welds.
Back to top
IP Logged
Tate #62
LMR God
Offline
WHEN IN DOUBT
THROTTLE OUT
Posts: 739
Re: Minimizing slag on uphill welds
Reply #10 -
02/13/12 at 5:58am
Make sure your gun angle is correct, using 110 an 220 could make a difference too, my welder at home is a miller 220 or 110, and uphill welds aren't ne'er as good as the 220 that I use at work..
Back to top
WWW
IP Logged
formercrewguy
LMR God
Offline
The shrub brothers
are punks
Posts: 4293
Arizona
Re: Minimizing slag on uphill welds
Reply #11 -
03/04/12 at 6:58pm
There is NOTHING on a race car chassii that requires an uphill mig weld. Nothing. This thread is moot................and locked.
Back to top
"99% of Muslims aren't terrorists, but 99% of terrorists are Muslim"
IP Logged
imracin68j
LMR God
Offline
Do the impossible
Posts: 6228
Re: Minimizing slag on uphill welds
Reply #12 -
03/04/12 at 11:21pm
I'll give you credit for being a try hard. Lol
Back to top
Play the all new "DANNY SIMKINS - 11 STRAIGHT - trivia game." Only at teamsimkins.com.
WWW
|
AIM
IP Logged
Pages: 1
Send Topic
|
Print
‹
Previous Topic
|
Next Topic
›
Saturday Night Racer
» Powered by
YaBB 2.2.3
!
YaBB
© 2000-2008. All Rights Reserved.