a couple years ago i thought i had finished higher in the race then i thought i did but after the races i found scorekeeper and she showed me the scoring sheets and explained to me what happend...so she will show you and explain to you whats on her sheets all you have to do is ask...

aaron your always arguing with people ive seen you...lmao...jk

...and even in R/C Cars w/ transponders and a scoring program...there are occasional mistakes and missed laps that have to be interpreted by the score sheet and corrected.

(Also in MOST r/c racing  there are NO YELLOW flags to account for - we RACE through crashes - and if you get a FLAT TIRE - you just get RUN OVER and removed from the track)

wow...now i'm confused...if i read the lap post correctly...cars that do not finish on the lead lap (1 down) are scored ahead of a car that took the white flag and dnf...how can that be...the car that took the white flag went further than the cars that finished a lap down...

is this correct...

kelly sawyer

heres just an example of what i think of the rule and how i put the rule in to effect at my races.
20 lap race
Car A is in a wreck on lap 12 and goes a  lap down in the pits.
Car B is in a wreck on lap 20 in turns 1&2 and doestn take checkered. If he takes the white flag its impossible to go a lap down bc  he made it to 1&2 and the race was checkered leader cant lap a car on white flag lap in 1&2. In my opinion if you take the white flag and dont finish a race you are gonnna be scored the last car on the lead lap.. so basically what you have is
Car A 19 laps completed
Car B 19 1/4 laps completed last car on lead lap bc he didnt take checkers.

Also who completed 19 laps first car a or car b
Car a completed 19 laps on the 20th lap
Car b completed 19 laps on the 19th lap
who completed 19 laps first would be who was scored first im just tryin to help a little ...

keepnscore wrote on 04/14/11 at 8:53am:



how can a car that took the checkered flag 1 lap down have gone further than a car that took the white flag and lets say finished in turn 3 from what ever happened...that car ran 19 and 3/4's of a lap went further than the car that went 19 laps and took checkered flag...car that ran 19 3/4's of a lap should finish in front of car that only ran 19 laps...i don't understand how one would put them at the end of the cars that only went 19 laps...

i know that i'm old but not that old to remember how math works...lol...

19 3/4's is more than 19...am i right...

kelly

It's been a long time since I've seen a score sheet from the speedway, but if I remember correctly - the only place that matters is THE Start / Finish Line - so if two cars only finish 19 of 20 laps - the one who COMPLETED his 19th lap first gets that position.

if I'm not mistaken - the car numbers are written down in order across the stripe - then counted to see how many completed laps were scored

You would then have to interpret that car A car got his 19th lap before car B based on which one was entered on the sheet LAST.

keepnscore wrote on 04/14/11 at 10:43am:


the horse was just playing dead...he's up and running so speak up...

why should i see u at the track...this should be looked at now...not later...when your at the track...you are to busy to sit down and talk about this...to many things running thru your head about what needs to be done...you thinking that i don't want to listen to this guys s--t...what the he'll does he know...i'm the scorekeeper...not him...does he think he can do a better job than me...then do it...this is what you would be thinking...i don't want your job...its not easy...i'm not trying to tear you up either...but please listen to reason...


who finished lap 19 first...this should be your first question...being the car that didn't finish the race finished lap 19 before the car that only completed 19 laps because he was slow...should be placed in front of the car that only completed 19 laps...

a race is 20 laps...the checkered flag is waved to the car that finishes 20 laps first...i hope we agree to this...then the rest of the cars are scored as they cross the finish line...do we agree...we count lets say 10 cars finished 20 laps...the next car to finish lap 19 should be placed in 11th place...do we agree...being car #1 finshed lap 19 before car #2...car #1 should be scored as 11th and next car on 19 should be placed as 12th...neither car finshed lap 20...this is how they should be scored...

i never said that u should score a race by 3/4 or 1/2 or 1/4...i was making a point of why the car that went further should be placed in front of the other...stupid me to think this way...i'm such an a$$hole...all i was doing is using numbers to make a point...

by the way...the car that finished a lap down didn't make the completed amount of laps that the winner did...thus he didn't finish race either...

"To be in a lap you have to complete the lap." keepnscore...are you sure you want to use this sentence...both cars completed this lap...who completed this lap first...the one that broke...this is why he should be scored in front of the other cars that only completed 19 laps...19 3/4 is more than 19...

here is a place to check...nascar.com...find a race that finished under yellow...a car crashed on the last lap...he was on the lead lap...he did not finish the last lap...does this mean that all the cars one lap down finshed in front of him since they finished the race on the same lap...no...same thing as your talking about...the winner still went the full distance...maybe this helps...

..the biggest difference w/ NASCAR's current scoring positions is they use TRANSPONDERS and multiple loops - so they can and do break the track into segments (Which some consider to be BS because the only place that should count is AT THE Start/Finish Line where a lap is "OFFICIAL" )  But - on the same note - a car legitimately went further than another, and it CAN be shown by multiple scoring loops....

There are also systems that can use GPS Tracking and place cars in places based on time - which will probably be the SCORING SYSTEM of the Future at some point....cause you'll be able to show on a computer screen every move that car made - from track to pits, and when.

keepnscore...just wondering if this is still an issue...just trying to avoid a problem...

kelly sawyer

Ooh, Ooh....I know, I know!!

The guy who broke after taking the white as the leader and broke should be in 5th in the final results.

No matter how one looks at it, the cars who take the white flag while running on the lead lap go farther in the race than the cars that take the white one lap down.  There is no way a lapped car can over take a car on the lead lap after taking the white flag.   This is physically impossible.