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05/09/10 at 4:32pm
 
good job tech officials for cracking down on the cheating at bakersfield speedway, i new it would only be a matter of time before you would realize that the cheating is getting out of hand, good job
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Reply #1 - 05/10/10 at 3:20am
 
I agree!! All cars on the tech pad get dqed in the american stocks, wow!! One I know had no clue was Childress the others well who knows, but as people were saying they thought the caddys were illegal and they get another dq!! Huh So yes good job officials and im glad people are not getting away with things!!
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Reply #2 - 05/10/10 at 8:04am
 
Unfortunately it looks like most of the drivers were DQ'd for something they didn't even know was wrong with there engines. Engines bought or borrowed and told that they were legal. Crankshaft, piston & cam.  We ran a borrowed engine a couple of years ago and when it melted down, I had to buy it. When I took it apart it wasn't even close to what I had been told, Pistons illegal, different crank, wrong cam/lifters so buyer beware.
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Reply #3 - 05/10/10 at 10:49am
 
Wally_Stewart wrote on 05/10/10 at 8:04am:
Unfortunately it looks like most of the drivers were DQ'd for something they didn't even know was wrong with there engines. Engines bought or borrowed and told that they were legal. Crankshaft, piston & cam.  We ran a borrowed engine a couple of years ago and when it melted down, I had to buy it. When I took it apart it wasn't even close to what I had been told, Pistons illegal, different crank, wrong cam/lifters so buyer beware.


Lousy and lazy excuses. These guys just need to man-up and build something legal. I can understand 1 car being cheated up....but 4? Gimme a break.
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Reply #4 - 05/10/10 at 10:58am
 
I think people thought the tech would change without Ivan there. Glad to see the track teching the cars hard. ther's more out there. They need to get a few more hobbies now.
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Reply #5 - 05/10/10 at 11:11am
 
So which american stocks that got dqed have to move up to hobby stocks per rules?
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Reply #6 - 05/10/10 at 3:24pm
 
everyone knows and knew prior to this race that the milk molisha or whatever there called had hobby stock motors or bigger in those cadillacs. i have seen them apart at the engine shop before the cars were even built and they were better than the hobby motor i was running at the time so its no suprise to everyone that the truth has come out.

any REAL racer knows what is in his car because they work on them week in and week out.

if you dont know what you have in your car and just pay someone to work on it or someone in your family does it all for you and you just drive then maybe its time you get off the couch and get in the garage and learn whats in your car and how to fix it or whatever.

i believe even the mini dwarf drivers need to know what there cars have and dont have and how to work on them. but i know many of the parents dont have there kids helping and learning. hell some kids think they are NASCAR already and wont even wash them and make there parents do it. make them earn it and enjoy it together. help them learn about there cars and set ups and keeping up with all the maintance so that when they do get older they know a little the basics and just gotta learn the new car unstead of everything there is to do with racing at all outside of getting in and driving.

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Reply #7 - 05/10/10 at 3:34pm
 
Chad11 wrote on 05/10/10 at 10:58am:
I think people thought the tech would change without Ivan there. Glad to see the track teching the cars hard. ther's more out there. They need to get a few more hobbies now.


I was going to post the same thing about Ivan, someone told me (no names) that "with Ivan and a couple the other tech guys gone people will be able to get away with cheating" I am glad the "grey areas" as I call them are being taken care of!! Kevin you are exactly right those milk boys that drive the cars need to know what they are running and need to learn to get to the front in a legal car!!
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Reply #8 - 05/10/10 at 4:22pm
 
how can the motors in those cars be barrowed anyways, i have never seen them blow there motors or anything, im just glad that my cousin can have a chance to run against some legal cars now in his caddy.
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Reply #9 - 05/10/10 at 6:22pm
 
I will say I dont think the 87 american stock driver knew that he was illegal because I had a conversation with him as I was being a "tech troll" and they were pulling his motor apart and he seemed to really believe he was legal, not saying someone else didnt know but I don't think he did!!
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Reply #10 - 05/11/10 at 8:13am
 
WeLL this is just on my part of stickin up for my brother on this one HE had no clue that crank was in there!! AND me and my dad had been tore down to the CRANK with that motor before and it was legal PRIOR to the old rule package, Not only that IVAN was out there helpin my brother saturday and said that crank was legal and they said it says in the RULE BOOK NO FORGED CRANKS!!!!

MY point is in the "RULES" they are usind they are old & HAVE JUST HAD A FEW THINGS COPIED & PASTED ON THERE!!!!!!
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Reply #11 - 05/11/10 at 8:14am
 
BAKERSFIELD SPEEDWAY

2010 OFFICIAL RULES

AMERICAN STOCK DIVISION





Tech Info email: scott@bakersfieldspeedway.com





DEFINITION OF “STOCK” OR “OEM”


In the following rules, stock OEM or OEM will mean that a part or dimension must be from a standard production vehicle. “OEM” is the abbreviation for original equipment manufacturer. If parts are to be stock, stock OEM or OEM then they can not be GM Performance, Bow-Tie, Ford Motorsports, SVO, Direct Connection such as Performance Catalogues, Marine, Mail Order or any special Off-Road or Racing Performance part. No carbon fiber parts anywhere on the car. Absolutely no removal, alteration or covering of casting numbers, manufacturer’s name, logos, insignias, etc. from any item on the car. To do so will make that part illegal and it will be treated as such.



MAKE OF CARS:



1.             1964 or later American made sedans.  Minimum 112” wheelbase.  No station wagons, el caminos, pickups, novas, omegas or venturas. All cars must remain as stock as the day they were manufactured with the exception of the rules.  No front wheel drives.  

2.             All glass and chrome trim must be removed.

3.             All flammable interior must be removed.

4.             Steering column can be replaced with steel steering rod. Must have collapsible extension in view and is subject for tech approval. Shifters can be moved to floor mounted type.  The dash may be replaced with a minimum of 22-gauge steel.

5.             Quick release steering wheels allowed on stock column only.

6.             The body must remain completely stock. Front fenders can be cut for tire clearance(maximum of 4” from race ready position). Quarter panels may be cut but must be resealed at truck area. Replacement of rear quarters OK. Must use stock body panel or 22-gauge steel and welded back in place. Gutting of hoods and deck lids OK. The grill may be removed.  No cutting of interior sheet metal.  Front wells may be removed. Aluminum radiator OK. Under drive pulleys OK. Radiator core support may be replaced with a “tee” bar style support and can pick up front fender mounts. 13/4” .095 tubing maximum size tubing. Diagonal support kickers must be with in 6” from center to center. Core support design subject to tech approval.

7.             No super sports or limited edition sports sedans.  All cars will be teched as a basic production sedan.  No exceptions.

8.             No cutting trunk floor for fuel cell.

9.             No spoilers.





ENGINES & TRANSMISSIONS & REAR ENDS:


10.        Engine must be stock for that make and model of car used. All engine tech will be for passenger type sedans, no super sports or limited edition vehicles. No exceptions. 180 lbs. compression maximum. Motor balancing OK. No forged cranks. No lighting of parts. No camel hump heads, no z code heads. GM to GM. Ford to Ford. Stock OEM pistons OK. Stock dished or forged 4 valve relieved flat top piston OK. Must be 4 valve relieved. May install guide plates, poly locks, and screw in studs in heads. May used solid motor mounts.

11.        Transmissions must be automatic and stock for that make and model of car used. No power glides. No exceptions.

12.        Valve cover vent may be moved to left side and the right side may be plugged. After market valve covers allowed.

13.        All cars will use a Holley #4412 (500-CFM) carburetor (no touch).  Stock cast iron or aluminum intake OK. After market air cleaner houses O.K.  No K & N filters, air cleaners or carb hats.  No electric fuel pumps.

14.        All cars must adhere to one of the following camshaft rules: Chevy small block- .410 int. .410 ext. with a 1.5 rocker arm. Chevy big block- .398 int. .398 ext. with a 1.7 rocker arm. Ford small block (302w, 351m and 351w only) .416 int. .445 ext. with a 1.6 rocker arm. All Oldsmobile and Buick motors- .424 int. .445 ext. with a 1.6 rocker arm. All Pontiac motors- .420 int. .443 ext. with a 1.5 rocker arm. ALL MEASUREMENTS WILL BE TAKEN AT THE VALVE.

15.        All rear ends must be single wheel, no pos. track, no lockers, no shimming.  All rear ends must be single wheel at any rpm. After market steel axles allowed on right rear of car only.

16.        Exhaust pipes must not exceed 2 ½ inches in diameter before the muffler and must extend to rear of driver and point to outside. Stock exhaust manifolds only. No performance manifolds or headers. No cast iron headers. No modifications of ant kind allowed to exhaust manifolds. Mufflers mandatory. Muffler and pipes must be mounted underneath floor pan and have support chains. No part of exhaust system can be inside of the drivers compartment. No center dump manifold allowed.

17.        All distributors must be stock. No racing modules or coils allowed. No MSD or Mallory modules of any kind. MSD or Mallory wires OK.

18.        Any car and driver found with illegal cam shaft, heads, carburetor or locked rear end will be moved to Hobby Stock Division immediately for the rest of the 2006 season.  This is a non-touch engine and rear end division. Any alteration from stock will be considered a disqualification, and will be moved out of the division immediately.





SAFETY:


19.        Roll cage must be a minimum of 1 3/4” O.D. .095 mild steel tubing.  No galvanized pipe allowed.  The drivers side must have (4) four door bars. Bakersfield Speedway highly suggests doorplates.  Roll cages must be contained in driver’s compartment only, and must have a minimum of (4) four points.  No bars are permitted in the trunk or engine compartment.

20.        Driver-side window net required, minimum 16 inch by 20 inch ribbon or mesh style, and must be mounted to roll cage so latch is at top front of window.

21.        Fuel cells are mandatory. Must have roll over check valve. Chain required from fuel cap to strap. No race fuel.

22.        Racing seats are mandatory.  No fiberglass seats allowed.

23.        A five (5) point safety harness, with quick release is mandatory with a 3” wide lap belt, 3” shoulder belts, and a 2” submarine belt. All belts must be secured to roll cage. All seat belts must have date of manufacture and must be within 3 years of present date. This is for your safety.

24.        S.M.P. highly suggest 1/8” plating on left side door bars.

25.        Front and rear bumpers must have straps and must have safety chains running directly to the body panels. All bumper straps must cover width of bumper. Any stock steel bumpers OK.

26.        All cars must have a min. 2 lb. ABC fire extinguisher mounted safely in reach of the driver. No taping or zip tying.

27.        Windshield must be replaced with a minimum of ¼” or maximum 1” mesh.

28.        Safety helmet must meet Snell 95 testing standards, bear proper identification, and have no signs of previous damage. No open face helmets allowed. SFI-approved full fire suit required. Fire retardant gloves, shoes and neck brace (or head and neck restraint) required. Recommended: Fire retardant head sock and underwear.

29.        The battery may be moved to the upper right side of the firewall and must be in a steel box.  Cannot be inside car or trunk area.





SUSPENSION:



30.        Racing shocks and springs O.K.  Springs and shocks stock height locations only.  Shocks must be stock mounting and cannot be rebiuldable. 1" steel non adjustable spacer allowed with stock pads on leaf spring cars only. No aftermarket pads on rear ends allowed.

31.        7” max. Two piece wheels only. No offsets or beadlock devices allowed.  All wheels must be the same size, minimum 14” x 7” and maximum 15” x 7”. No wheel spacers.

32.        All tires must match in size and series and be raced at 30 lbs. PSI on all (4) four corners.  Tires must be passenger type, no all terrain, rugged terrain, mud and snow, etc.  7 ½” tread width maximum.  Not to exceed $100.00 price of new tire. DOT approved tires only. Price of tires must be available to the public at any time.  

33.        Larger wheel on both sides allowed. Larger wheel studs allowed.

34.        All four corners must have working brakes.

35.        No ballast weight is allowed.

36.        Drivelines must be painted white with (2) two straps.

37.       Cast and camber subject to tech approval.  





MISCELLANEOUS:



38.        All cars must have 20” tall numbers on both sides and the roof of the car.  Colors are to be contrasted so scorekeepers can read them. Must have headlight and taillight number.

39.        Mirrors and radios not allowed.

40.        S.M.P. recommends white steel spokes on the right side of car.

41.        Body damage repairs must pass tech approval.

42.        No two (2) seater cars allowed at any time.



IMPORTANT NOTE:



S.M.P. instates any car and driver found with illegal cam shaft, heads, carburetor or locked rear end will be moved to Hobby Stock Division immediately for the rest of the 2006 season.  This is a non-touch division, all parts on car must remain stock OEM from bumper to bumper.



Any part within view is subject to tech approval at anytime.



ENGINE PROTEST PROCEDURES: Any Bakersfield Speedway member of the same division can for $500.00 have a motor tore down to crank shaft for inspection of illegal parts of any starters of the main event within 5 minutes after checkered flag at the tech pad area.  Promoter may also protest any engine. $100.00 to Bakersfield Speedway, $400.00 to car owner if found legal. If illegal, $400.00 will be returned to member contesting car and $100.00 to Bakersfield Speedway ( $100.00 to Speedway covers cost required for tech officials to over see procedure). Must have raced the two races in a row prior to requesting an engine tear down. Refusal of tear down will be loss of points and contingencies for that event, two race suspension (car & driver). Car must pass tech inspection before racing privilege are reinstated. $125.00 inspection fee required to cover tech officials overtime. Second offence- total loss of racing privilege at The Bakersfield Speedway.







SCHWEITZER MOTORSPORTS PRODUCTIONS

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Reply #12 - 05/11/10 at 8:17am
 
EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ ""RULE #18"" Really close and see if you can see the catch were it says' 2006!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reply #13 - 05/11/10 at 8:28am
 
Same with the "important note" section at the bottom.  All they did was use the same basic rules and update what changed.  Apparently they missed the year.
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Reply #14 - 05/11/10 at 8:43am
 
YUP ITS MAKE EM UP AS YOU GO NOW!!!!
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Reply #15 - 05/11/10 at 9:01am
 
  Johnson the motor that was dq'd was from a santa maria car. I do agree with you on your secound statement that kids should be involved completely in the race program. The whole point is to keep a parent child relationship strong and keep them busy which helps them stay out of trouble.  Ironic that we bring them to oildale instead of a church social.  anyway my point is that dial indicating a motor is not the first step in learning about racing. Start with the basics and work up. This includes dealing with the fact fact that some people don,t like it when you succeed. I've heard a johnson say that.
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Reply #16 - 05/11/10 at 11:14am
 
when i started racing minis my dad told me "If you want to race, you are going to do the work to race". so i have known since day one what has been in my car and there is only one thing i hate then losing, i hate loosing to people that do not work on there cars and know whats in there cars. ive been told that the milk kids built there cars idk how true that is but i give them cudos for building the cars that they have. i remember seeing the 87 car flip, that was nasty and that cage stayed intact, that shows the craftsmenship that went into it, but get a legal motor in those cars and when you when with those that will show your true colors.

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Reply #17 - 05/11/10 at 1:25pm
 
Perrin your not teaching those kids anything good when they win a race and have it taken away from them on the tech pad, im sure they dont like to be labeled "cheaters" and talking to Jake the driver of the 87 car he thought they were going to prove all of us "tech trolls" wrong, and he ends up looking bad!! Now Bauer came on lmr and clarified some things and I give him major props for admitting he made a few mistakes and will make sure they are fixed, and I know he will and I know he will work hard to get these boys doing good!!
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Reply #18 - 05/11/10 at 1:27pm
 
There already doin GooD there the fastest things out there!!!!
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Reply #19 - 05/11/10 at 1:30pm
 
Yes but now they can learn to drive to the front in a legal car and they will feel feel better about themselves!! Ricky your killing me with the caps lock button!! Cheesy
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Reply #20 - 05/11/10 at 1:32pm
 
Thats my FAVORITE button when im being SERIOUS about shi*!!!
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Reply #21 - 05/11/10 at 1:33pm
 
YOU SERIOUS???? LMAO
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