Why in the heck dont you guys cease and desist for a while. Do you enjoy beating up people. Give whoever is in charge a chance to get it done before you write them off as greedy or what ever. So Mike is done with the WSM..Ok, deal with it and move on. If you spend more time getting your cars ready and less time carping on this board, you might have them ready when the announcement comes down from Scott and Bubby and Steve  to start your engines.
Every body has an opinion, I know, but why not wait till  you have all the facts before you jump to conclusions.  Then be constructive, not destructive. No one will really know everything until the green flag drops anyway, where ever that takes place.  However hammering the Race promoters and Directors will not do any one any good.  So comeon guys, give them a chance!!!!

Dan..dr6 motorsports

Western Super Modifieds or IMCA

THANKS BUBBY!!!

I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE FOLKS THAT COME ON HERE AND DEFEND THERE POSITIONS AND SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT. CHRIS AND SCOTT DO IT AND NOW YOU. GOOD SHOW!!! DON'T BE WARY OF COMIN' ON HERE AND KICKIN' A LITTLE BUTT, SOME FOLKS ON HERE DON'T NESSICARILY (sp) UNDERSTAND SMALL BUSINESS.


Duane

and yes, I was hollerin'

WESTCOASTDIRT wrote on 02/11/10 at 5:17pm:



i do not understand your question.

Troy we received no notice that the name was being removed or that mike was not going to be involved.  As soon as we have more answers we will let you know.  

For the record the 3 tracks/promoters are standing strong behind our committment to the modified schedule we have put together.

Feb 20 is the first playday.  Hope to see you guys

Bubby or whom ever is involved over there.   Thanks for making the way over due updates.  Mainly the bathrooms    many people i know can not stand to go to the track due to the poor conditions for the paying fans.

ObertelloRacing wrote on 02/12/10 at 8:00am:



Oh, there you go gittin' all mushey 'n stuff.


But your right,  LOL


Duane

Eric you ask how do i feel?

i believe the mistakes that were made that caused this digression in the late model class will be corrected in 12-24 months from now.

i believe that the cooperation of all parties involved(promoters/racers/sponsors) will bring LM's as you saw them in the not so distant past back with more success than that time. that said my benchmark would be average car count during CK's full reign the second year of the WAS.(those #'s are available i am sure...lol)

my mantra here from my very first post here at LMR has been to have solidarity among the drivers and accountability of the promoter by the teams......

one person has demonstrated to me through execution that it can be done and by all appearances today 2-12-10 it is and will happen again.

now this mod thing could be the same thing but not without cooperation and accountability.

my previous comments on this subject come with no apologies....they come with a mirror of reflection of years gone by.....the difference then is that all those gettin bashed came through with all they said they would do and accomplish only to see it sold for a dollar.....

oh yeah and for the record AGAIN.....the purchase was not offered to me or the LM conversation of the RECENT past would not be happening with regards to dirt.....jmo


hope this makes my feeling clear.


btw the koolaide today is strawberry...lol








peace...................................mike

FASTMIKE wrote on 02/12/10 at 8:31am:


10-4, that is exactly what I thought you would say. But you also have to remember that the late model teams have to survive yet again because people running things decided to change yet again(hopefully for the good).

Looking forward I have a couple of irons in the fire as well, because I am tired of people changing things every 3 yrs.

mudslinger47 wrote on 02/13/10 at 7:30am:

Me as well, but you can only go to the well (teams)so many times and then the well goes dry.
I think someone needs to start a race team association that way the teams as a unit set the tone of their future, not a track, not a promoter and not a series!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The following is just my own ideas and thoughts.  I have no authority to make anything happen.

After reading the last few posts I figured this ..... "hmmm ,so if the mod drivers voted in IMCA by a majority vote, then all parties would agree to sanction this traveling series through IMCA?  Lets do it."
1) Put up the dates and tracks and a scale as to what pay-offs will be vs car counts.
2) The vote is simple - (A) Run as an IMCA Series between the two or three tracks (or more, since Ocean and SMS and Bakers and a few more are IMCA), or (B) Run under non-IMCA rules at the two or three tracks with rules that only apply at the two or three tracks for a year or two.

It should be pretty fair .. the drivers will know when and where the races will be.  The tracks will se that other tracks are not double booking mods on series nights.  The fact that a guy can see those things before he puts his hat in the ring is good

To vote: a driver has to register for the series ($50 or so) and/or pre-enter for 50% or more of the planned events on the series route.  Once the series is voted on and a rule set picked by popular vote, no entry can be returned - meaning that drivers put up the entry to vote and they can either race as the vote outcome descides or they can give up your entry/registration.

Have all involved track promoters/sponsors sign off on this thing too, so they cant back out if the vote does not match their desires.  If they need to see X number of registration cards to agree to race the series, then advertise that amount so all parties understand the minimum number of registrations needed to even run the series - remove the guess work.  If that number of registrations is not met, the series returns all money.  But, if that number is met, the vote stands.  Interested tracks should sign a no competition agreement to keep pouty promoters from running thier chosen rules against the winning vote.  All parties need to agree to live by the vote.

Let the votes be made on the registration cards for the series to remove all doubt and allow for the roster to be filled and known all at once, by all parties.
The registration card would look something like this:
Modified Series Race Series
$XXX fee for 12 race series (best of 10)
50% of $XXX paid on xx/xx/xxxx
Driver: Joe Schmoe - #78, Somewhere Cal.
Choose (A) or (B) by circling (A) or (B) - pick only one:

(A) Series will be an IMCA sanctioned series, drivers will be IMCA registered, points awarded as special series.

(B) Series will be non-sanctioned and will run UMP/WSM style rules.  Track rules prevail.

By paying the fee and turning in this card the undersigned driver agrees to participate under the rule set voted in by the simple majority of all registration cards.  Paying any other license fee required to race is not included.
signed: Joe Schmoe  xx/xx/xxxx

What could be better.  If a guy wants to run this series, he can put up the money to be heard.
That would keep it really simple and avoid a bunch of back room dealing, finger pointing, and wishful thinking.
That would let the track operators know the car counts to expect up-front and  set a purse.
That would let the drivers know the purse up front (remember above where I said the purse should be advertized with the scale vs car counts -- see how that worked out now?)
And the rules were set by the majority vote, by people with skin in the game - the racers, and not by track operators or promoters or financeers.  Guys that do not really have a preference have nothing to lose by paticipating because they would race either way and by pre-registering they can atleast gaurentee a race series.



It is my guess that most mod racers in the valley that are effected by the currect situation would be happy to put up money to have a voice in the series and then support it - as voted on by other paid entants.  Knowing the venues, the dates, and the projected purses vs car counts would make it easy.  Knowing that it will take "X" number of registered drivers to even have the series makes it easy to figure attendance.  Knowing the tracks agree up front to abide by the vote is cool.  One can only ponder what the down-side might be?  I guess it's up to the track operators to figue if putting the cards on the table is a good idea.

We all seem to agree that low purse = low car count.  We also agree that low car count = low purse.  So, lets get all of the numbers in the open. Tracks need X amount of cars to pay X amount of purse.  Ready, go!

P.S. Blaming IMCA for tracks paying low purses, and suggesting there are loads of money being taken from drivers and handed to IMCA is absurd - so lets just skip that poop and move on.  Also, expecting ANY track to pay enough to make the money getting pissed away by some guys on these mods look less than silly, is also absurd.  Time to keep it real folks.