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Reply #22 - 02/10/10 at 8:20pm

I cannot support a division that is ill gotten game. Mike had a good thing going.... Greed will be the demise of the once great WSM!

If they are going to pay $3k purse and $100 to start....
Lets assume..

1) 1st Place $1000 (Leaves $2000)

2)10-20th place $100 each = $1100 ( Leaves $900)

3) 2-9th place $112.50 each = $900 (leaves 0)

Wow... lets race for $112.50 for a second place finish!!

Talk about a top heavy purse....
This is trash!!

Here is what we had with the WSM

1-1200
2-600
3-450
4-425
5-350
6-300
7-250
8-200
9-150
10-125
11 thru 22-100
Total Purse $5250
+ $35 show up money to all non qualifiers.
Average car count of 35 cars = an additional $455
Grand Total of $5718.00.... almost double the proposed purse!

I am tired of greedy promoters. Go sell some advertisement... quit taking if from the racer. If you cannot afford to pay the purse you can afford to run a track!!

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Reply #23 - 02/10/10 at 8:52pm

lol see this is why i dont like TROY for comments just like that... hey scottwoodhouse, i appreciate the effort, and i also am very happy there are people like you stepping up for the racers. as for right now i am excited to see what you guys have set up for us racers... hey troy before you bash, just wait and see what they say when they put out their press release. i am excited to see it.

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Mod9Fan LMR Member Offline Posts: 204	Re: the show goes on! Reply #24 - 02/10/10 at 8:58pm "GSMRS" Golden State Modified Road Show! Just something a little different.
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jp80 LMR God Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 988	Re: the show goes on! Reply #25 - 02/10/10 at 8:58pm 70 bucks to enter..... wtf?
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SawyerRacing98 LMR God Offline Posts: 1056 Bakersfield Ca.	Re: the show goes on! Reply #26 - 02/10/10 at 9:07pm the golden state modified road show is cool, i like that, it is different
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TALON75 LMR God Offline DO IT INTHE DIRT Posts: 735	Re: the show goes on! Reply #27 - 02/10/10 at 9:10pm Just call it the Western Series Modifieds, then you don't have to change anything on your schedules as it will still be the WSM !
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Reply #28 - 02/10/10 at 10:22pm

i believe i heard Mr. Woodhouse say the total purse was around $5700. thats alot to guarantee without a minimum car count. i wouldnt blame them if they had to make a minimum.
but from what ive heard, the class and structure is very popular among the mod drivers, and should not have a problem filling the field. i would worry about the surrounding IMCA tracks.
if the 3 tracks can work together and keep it going in the same direction it has been, it should continue to build.

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rickshawII LMR God Offline The RickshawII Posts: 1166 china lake ca	Re: the show goes on! Reply #29 - 02/10/10 at 10:23pm TALON75 wrote on 02/10/10 at 9:10pm: Just call it the Western Series Modifieds, then you don't have to change anything on your schedules as it will still be the WSM ! "Western States Modifieds" just throwin it out there..
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smartguy LMR God Offline Popularity breeds contempt Posts: 2288 North Bay	Re: the show goes on! Reply #30 - 02/10/10 at 11:18pm "golden state modified road show" has a nice ring to it
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RWDERD LMR Member Offline MODIFIEDS Posts: 100	Re: the show goes on! Reply #31 - 02/11/10 at 7:18am golden state modified road show seems a little long cut it down to golden state modifieds robby i understand why you want to know the purse but we pretty much loose money every night anyways. i guess its just a matter of how much
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Reply #32 - 02/11/10 at 7:18am

Trinity Motorsports wrote on 02/10/10 at 4:33pm:

Before anyone badmouths Mike we should consider what he has done for Modified Racing on the West Coast. Because he paid 1k to win others are now paying 500 - 600 to win. Promoters finally realized that money makes the field grow. The purse would have never gone up without someone making it happen and for that we have to thank Mike. It is hard to commit to something like this, he has a real job and a family. I cannot imagine the time that he has put into this. I wouldnt be surprised if it was taken from him to eliminate the middle man. Things come up and situations change... shoot just this weekend I was going to Arkansas to pick up a car and now I cannot go until the end of the month. Mike has said stuff when he should have remained quiet... but who hasn't. Rather than kick someone when they are "down" why dont you get "down" on your knees and pray for him. Things are tuff right now for a lot of people, Mike works for the State of CA... and you know the state has financial issues right now that have effected his job stability.

Mike I appreciate you and wish things would have worked like you dreamed. Not all dreams come true but thanks for sharing your dreams with us!!

God Bless
Troy Morris Jr.

I will support whatever you promote!!

troy, if the term you used "badmouthed" is directed at my comments i would like to be clear that my comments were fact not opinion......and i prayed for him THEN too for the record.

his effort should be commended.....however his EXECUTION speaks for itself. with his faith in God he will be fine.

peace...........................................mike

p.s. for the record, i would stay clear of a "moniker" that resembled WSM in my humble business opinion.

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Trinity Motorsports LMR God Offline To God Be The Glory! Posts: 823	Re: the show goes on! Reply #33 - 02/11/10 at 8:22am What if we all started our sentences like Robby.... I think a lot of threads would start something like this. I dont like Robby but... Sorry Robby, I will use less math next time and pictures so you understand.
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Reply #34 - 02/11/10 at 1:28pm

Greedy promoters? I thought you had a better understanding. Do the math. How many cars does it take to not lose money with a 5400 purse? Tulare and Chow both lost money on mods but still want to make a purse that is better than others.

Advertisement! Shut up! Advertisers want to see a ROI (look it up). And with so many companies hurting.....easier said than done.

Either race with us or don't. I will treat ya right and be straight with ya. My number is listed for a reason. See ya soon

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Reply #35 - 02/11/10 at 1:43pm

RWDERD wrote on 02/11/10 at 7:18am:

golden state modified road show seems a little long
cut it down to golden state modifieds

robby i understand why you want to know the purse but we pretty much loose money every night anyways. i guess its just a matter of how much

who are you? and i dont care how much you lose, racers dont make money either... i am sorry such a simple question leads to so much controversy... my question was not, "hey how much money are promoters and racers going to lose this year" lol...

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Mod9Fan LMR Member Offline Posts: 204	Re: the show goes on! Reply #36 - 02/11/10 at 2:20pm Here's one that fits right in with the rest of the conversations on this thread, "MR ALP" Modified Racers Against Low Purses! lol just throwing some humor out there.
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Reply #38 - 02/11/10 at 3:00pm

scottwoodhouse wrote on 02/11/10 at 1:28pm:

Greedy promoters? I thought you had a better understanding. Do the math. How many cars does it take to not lose money with a 5400 purse? Tulare and Chow both lost money on mods but still want to make a purse that is better than others.

Advertisement! Shut up! Advertisers want to see a ROI (look it up). And with so many companies hurting.....easier said than done.

Either race with us or don't. I will treat ya right and be straight with ya. My number is listed for a reason. See ya soon

The question sould be...."How many FANS does it take to not lose money on a $5400 purse?" If promoters did their job getting fans in the stands, companies would get a better ROI, and racers wouldn't have to pay their own purse. Remember, racers are the show that fans PAY to see.

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FASTMIKE LMR God Offline CALL US FIRST FIX IT FAST Posts: 3471	Re: the show goes on! Reply #39 - 02/11/10 at 3:53pm success only comes from harmonious human relationships...think about it. therfore the promoter has alot of customers to satisfy: 1. the racer 2. the fan 3. the sponsor with the proper balance they might make a living. peace.........................................mike
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Reply #40 - 02/11/10 at 3:53pm

I really dont like to get involved with this message board crap but it does get very irritating sometimes...For one, I dont know anyone on here and I am already being referred to as a "greedy promoter". Wow...Then Im told to go sell some advertising??? wow wow!!! Giant Chevrolet, Tachi Palace, and Budweiser seems to be a good start...But obviously this racetrack has not had any money invested into it in 10-15 years...We are...Building new bathroom, new beer booth, and demolished concession and building a new one of those...AND we have not even got to the pits yet...Most of you do not know Don or myself, but I would have to say we are far from greedy...Our weekly purse in Micro-Sprints is the most on the West Coast..We know we need racecars to have a racetrack....We know it is our job to promote the place...BUT at the sametime we need to be careful where we throw money...I dont care if we are racing go karts or NASCAR its all a numbers game...Small Numbers vs. BIG I will let Scott deal with this messageboard because I need to be out selling advertisment...But geez guys.....give us a chance....If the money is there...we can always raise the purse...

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Reply #41 - 02/11/10 at 4:00pm

The question sould be...."How many FANS does it take to not lose money on a $5400 purse?" If promoters did their job getting fans in the stands, companies would get a better ROI, and racers wouldn't have to pay their own purse. Remember, racers are the show that fans PAY to see. [/quote]

you are correct chad. the last time i remember the fans being a part of the purse was Merced in 1987. my dad ran his super mod there and i can remember them saying at the drivers meeting that it was a good crowd, so the purse would be good. back then, they raced for a % of the ticket sales.
im not sayin that all the promoters are doing their best, but in their defence, its hard to get people out of their houses any more to actually watch any kind of event. its even effecting nascar, look at the grandstands at most of the races, whole sections empty.
people can see what ever they want on tv, without getting cold or dirty or having to smell the fumes and dust.
oildale is one of the last tracks with a built in clientel of families that have been going there for generations. or maybe tv hasnt hit oildale yet.... Grin

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miniguru27 LMR God Offline Dirt Late Models Rule! Posts: 652	Re: the show goes on! Reply #42 - 02/11/10 at 4:03pm How about the Western Modified Series?? Just a thought.
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Reply #43 - 02/11/10 at 4:29pm

Sorry Boss! I got a lil wound up lol. We'll have a purse setup that you feel you got a fair shake and that we as tracks don't get discouraged. Let's wait until the the first check to cast stones then it can be open game.

I put a lot of time into this and wouldn't do it if I thought it wasn't being done in a matter fair to the racers.

I look forward to seeing you guys at the races.

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