Winland_Racing wrote on 12/03/09 at 8:41pm:



Winland-

I think he is trying to stay in the spirit of a traditional enduro car. I looked at your rules. Although they seem to be a fair set of rules, they go to far in my opinion for what a traditional enduro car should be.

Some of your rules reflect performance enhancing items- not just durability.

A few that I noticed-

Aftermarket radiators--Opens the door to aluminum radiators.

Locked rear ends--

Racing springs--

Water tanks--

Although we may disagree on some of the above items as being an advantage, there is also the cost, and time needed to add these items.

You car rules appear to be more of a factory or pure stock car-- or are at least headed in that direction.

You have a great thing going with what you guys are doing-- i'm not knocking what you got going. But I tend to think he is trying to create an event that will attract the non-racer average guy, that can put together a car in his back yard for relatively cheap, and come have fun.

I think it's a great way for the speedway to attract new racers and increase car counts--- todays rookie enduro guy could be tomorrows hobby stock racer if he gets the bug.

Keep it simple, cheap, and affordable.

JMO

I agree, we as a group have debated the traditional rules with the reality for years.  We then had to be realistic with what was out there and kind of adapted the rules accordingly.

I 100% agree it is for the entry level type of guy to get into racing on a cheap dime, the same concept as the mini stock class which has gotten so popular over the last bunch of years.

As the President of West Coast Enduro, I am trying to do my due diligence in supporting my group and all the work we, and I personally have done for the sport of enduro.

We have a long time before the season, I am sure Chris will advise if we wants to allow the WCE cars to run the race, if not, thats fine too.  As stated before, I am sure it will be succsssful as everything he has touched has worked out very well.

You are all fortunate to have a local track that is run well, my closest track in 1.5 hours away with most tracks up to 3-4 hours.....


Race on!!

I find this too fuuny. My Monte is 10 plus years old. never had a front hoop. But I did reclip it once about 5 years ago. It started as an enduro car in 1998 and ran many years as a fatory stock. if your going bend up a car hoop or not its going to bend. I like the rules keep it basic and stock. I'll be cutting out the rear hoop if needed and making any other changes to meet these rules. I do have a few questions though? battery placement? is the trunk ok? removable/ quick release steering wheels? springs stock type or stock for make and model? sway bars?

R.Denman14 wrote on 12/04/09 at 6:20pm:





Good luck with that Duane. They are getting real hard to find these.
Most of the cars that are good and competitive for enduro racing just are not easy to find. And when you do find one, cant get it for 100 bucks anymore. Thats why you have to build the car you have as strong as the rules allow so you can keep racing it. I like the WCE rules and hope my car, along with other 4 cars in Coalinga can race SMS next year.

Chris give me a call when you can.
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True dat!!!!    But I got this buddy in the boondocks (out of the state of callyfornia) that may just help me out.

Duane

Rules say miniuim 6pt roll cage. Does this mean your allowed 2 down tubes to the rear or the front. We need a diagram like the old SMS rules.

Ryan D. wrote on 12/05/09 at 9:14am:



Now that would be getting creative with the rules, but I'd be bettin' its to the rear.  No reinforcement in the front, wouldn't to down tubes to the front be reinforcement?

Duane

Well, you go ahead and put your down tubes to the front, but bring a hack saw, I'm bettin' you'll need it. The down tubes we used to run went to the frame kick-ups at the rear axle.  Why make it difficult when you obviously know better?

Duane

It dippeneds on if you are running a sub frame car or a full framed car....

Isn't the down tubes to the back primarily  for the sub frame cars?

Also wondering about seatbelts. Can they be in good shape but out of date belts or current? And if I come up with a car that has no motor, how do we keep everything"stock"? These rules are pretty vague and leave too much to interpretation. They cant expect everyone to find cherry one owner cars that have everything in the engine compartment. We are gettin excited and ready to build a few!

Frazier15 wrote on 12/07/09 at 1:12pm:


Bingo, on the 2 extra points.

I will make a decision on the seat belts after I talk to some of the companies here at PRI

I dont think the rules are vague STOCK. I guess Chrome air cleaners and valve covers are ok, but thats all.

I am looking into the front bar deal. Maybe bars for your radiator and fender supports, but nothing connected to the hoop or going thru the firewall. I will let you guys know when I have made a decision

My plan for the purse is 100% payback on entree fee. More info later

Here is a picture of what I propose with the radiator bar being seperate from the cage to frame bars.

Here is an example of the rear fuel cell bar being seperate from the rear frame rail kick outs.

Here is proof that both still give,one included a visit to the frame shop.