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Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES
Reply #88 -
10/29/09 at 2:14pm
i have a feeling if we get some hooked up tracks next year, people will be wanting that big cubic inch with a 4bbl....maybe not so much for when they throw in a dry slick, but ifs its hooked up and slinging clay i would think youd want a big motor with a 4bbl....its not like SMS goes dry slick every week like some other places around the country do
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10/29/09 at 3:23pm
Hey smart-one ........ you really do crack me up sometimes. I'm sure your "feelings" about big motors and 4bbl's, comes from all your years behind the wheel of a race car at SMS. Were you there when the G-60 tire was tested? Did you notice that the track was as good as it can get? Did you hear the test driver when he said he could "not" use all the motor he had (365c.i. with 4bbl)? With the new tire rule in 2010 there is no need for big motors "or" 4bbl's, they will be a problem..................
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Reply #90 -
10/29/09 at 6:32pm
OLD SCHOOL#6 wrote
on 10/28/09 at 9:02pm:
Chris Kearns wrote
on 10/28/09 at 7:27pm:
1) So they over power the tires
2) I was told 4 bbl is harder on the motor. Hopefully this will keep guys from buying high dollar, lightweight bottom ends
1) You have opened up the c.i. rule. Cars with big engines and 2bbl carbs will not have a problem over powering the harder tire compound. I have seen the engines of the past (365 c.i.) with 2bbl carbs over power tracks that just slick off a little (with the medium compound tire). That is why I say why a 4bbl ??
2) You are very correct, a 4bbl is harder on a motor, which means a guy "must" buy higher dollar bottom end parts, whether they buy "light" stuff or not just kinda depends on personal preference.
Please don't take this as a personal attack on you. I think you made a reasonable decision changing the tire, and doing so there was no reason to change the engine rule because it will take a lot "less" motor to use them. This is one of those deals where you and I just have two different points of view, I just hope everything works out for the best....................jmo
Dont worry Oldschool, your name says it all. Just kidding. Anyways, no worrys, I disagree with people all the time, or they disagree with me is more like it. Anyways, if it doesnt work, I guess everyone can blame me. I believe it will work though and our car count will go up.
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Reply #91 -
10/29/09 at 9:37pm
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on 10/29/09 at 3:23pm:
Hey smart-one ........ you really do crack me up sometimes. I'm sure your "feelings" about big motors and 4bbl's, comes from all your years behind the wheel of a race car at SMS. Were you there when the G-60 tire was tested? Did you notice that the track was as good as it can get? Did you hear the test driver when he said he could "not" use all the motor he had (365c.i. with 4bbl)? With the new tire rule in 2010 there is no need for big motors "or" 4bbl's, they will be a problem..................
old school, i disagree with you.......lets look at the 2bbl motor as it was ..limited cubic inch, and 2bbl. required 10-20 thousand dollars to make 475 to 500 hp. THAT'S A PROVEN FACT. THE SS HAVE PROVEN THAT.
JR MOTORSPORTS sells a 383 on a 4bbl that will do that for around 7500. and i think that with a little horse trading i can build on for half that, but we will see. i will be racing a ss in 2010 and i believe the rule changes are helping to make that possible. JMO
i would like everyone to get the f*** over it and see if maybe we can build the class instead of all this B.S.
oldschool, if you were putting togather a ss, what 500 hp motor do you think you would rather pay for?
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Reply #92 -
10/29/09 at 10:10pm
So a guy gets down the straight away with a big CI motor and the 4 barrel kicks in and breaks the tires loose, has to lift then peddle it again
the guy with a 2 barrel, his motor keeps pulling to about 7200 RPM, smooth acceleration never breaking traction(sp) and out deeps the big motor into the corner......
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Reply #93 -
10/30/09 at 7:45am
ya buddy, that's what the WHEEL-MAN'S for. this is not a entry class, the old EvsW had some of the best drivers around and imo that's what made it great.(not the rules)(or the tire)(or the 2bbl). jmo the new tire will have it's challenges with grip, nothing to do with eng, and every driver would rather have extra power then not enough.
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10/30/09 at 8:29am
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oldschool, if you were putting togather a ss, what 500 hp motor do you think you would rather pay for?
I guess my answer would be, I would want a motor with some built in "reliability" ( a word nobody has addresed yet). We'll see how these JR Motorsports engines hold up pulling around an extra
550 lbs.
Not saying they can't, just saying this could be interesting...............
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10/30/09 at 9:17am
i understand reliability, may only concern for my motor is it needs to stay togather(forever would be my wish). the lack of traction in the tire should be enough to offset that loss. a aftermarket standard weight crank (IMO) is stronger then the atfermarket 32-40 lbs cranks that are running now and require to be run with the 2bbl. when timmy tested the imca tire he commented on the lack of forward bite, so you would think that it should be easier on our motors, yet to be seen.
the 10- 20 thousand dollar motors that are out there now don't blow up. most all of the new cars i know of coming oout in 2010, won't have more than 3-4 grand. in this case you may see a few more motor issues related to using cheaper parts and less labor. not the rules. i'm sure the guy with his 20,ooo dallor 4bbl motor will be just fine
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Reply #96 -
10/30/09 at 10:59am
I think you are looking in the right direction when you talk about reliability, although the 32-40 lb cranks don't "have" to be run with a 2bbl, just ask the LM guys, they all use them in those $30,000.00 pieces, I do think a heavier crank will pan out better for ya' in the long run. One of my biggest concerns with the big motors and 4bbl's is there will be guys out there that can not "hook" the power and there will be car controll problems. The Modified class is starting to develop a "crash fest" attitude and I think it is becuase a lot of the guys have more power than they know how to handle (and the fact that a lot of the guys know nothing about the sophisticated rear suspension). The racing was better back when the motors were less exotic and there actually "was" claiming going on. Time will tell..........
On another subject ------ Really glad to see you are moving into the SS. The class needs cars and I'm sure you will bring a quality team and be an asset to the division. Good luck to ya' in 2010............
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Reply #97 -
10/30/09 at 11:54am
thanks for the compliments, old school. you can't take the squirell out of new racers, we just have to develop. the better racers have the patients and set-up, driving skills to over come it most of the time. stuff does happen and when the ss class take off and car counts get to 30-40 like the mods the wrecks will happen. don't look for it to much next year with lower counts and not as many new drivers. hope you stick around, maybe you can crew wtih me.
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10/30/09 at 1:25pm
Don't know about the "crew" part, but
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I will have my eye on everyone...............lol.. Again - good luck in 2010..............
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10/30/09 at 3:16pm
This will be interesting to see what happens..I still think this $20,000 SS engine is someone exagerating what they have in it or someone who got bent over when they bought it...IMO. In 06 we looked at getting a 4.125 Dart block with a 38 lb Bryant crank, piston guided rods, 15:1, Honda journal, maximum angle cut Dart heads that dynoed at 525 hp with a gauge legal Willy's 4412 from an engine builder in NC and we were looking at $15,000. Absolutely pushing the rules to the limit. We ended up with a 358" that had a 48 lb LA Billet with Carillo rods, etc. Some things used some new, had $9,000 in it and it dynoed at a honest 470 hp, ran it 1400 laps with zero problem! Never was clearly out horsepowered in the EvW. Handling was the deciding factor most of the time. In fact we relied on the engine's HP quite a bit of the time!! LOL Just so tired of hearing this $20,000 number thrown about!
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Reply #100 -
10/30/09 at 4:24pm
sjv d , you make good points. that is the extreme and i'm over it just defending the fact that i beleive the new rules will allow more people to race in this class as well as those that already invested into the 2bbl stuff. it's my opinion that becuase of all the money racers are skipping the ss and going straight to imca mods, mostly because there's no car count and motor costs. now the motor, trans, rear gears and even tires are the same costs. somewhat of a latteral move back and forth, but only time will tell. something did have to change and i dont think many disagree with that. i read your advise on 4m and hear and resect your thoughts. kirk
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OLD SCHOOL#6 wrote
on 10/29/09 at 3:23pm:
Hey smart-one ........ you really do crack me up sometimes. I'm sure your "feelings" about big motors and 4bbl's, comes from all your years behind the wheel of a race car at SMS. Were you there when the G-60 tire was tested? Did you notice that the track was as good as it can get? Did you hear the test driver when he said he could "not" use all the motor he had (365c.i. with 4bbl)? With the new tire rule in 2010 there is no need for big motors "or" 4bbl's, they will be a problem..................
funny, i've never heard of a mod being on a 2bbl?
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Reply #102 -
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smartguy wrote
on 10/29/09 at 2:14pm:
i have a feeling if we get some hooked up tracks next year, people will be wanting that big cubic inch with a 4bbl....maybe not so much for when they throw in a dry slick, but ifs its hooked up and slinging clay i would think youd want a big motor with a 4bbl....its not like SMS goes dry slick every week like some other places around the country do
Thanks for pointing out the obvious for us
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11/02/09 at 7:48pm
o, anytime...lmao!!!
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11/02/09 at 9:16pm
Do you have a SS or any other car smart guy?
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Do you have a SS or any other car smart guy?
he's only allowed to ride the short bus... But I think he's saving up for a
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Now that's funny right there!
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Reply #107 -
11/03/09 at 1:34pm
for a smart car......lol.... yah right......i'd buy a moped before i ever bought a smart car....might be fun though to take a smart car to the fairgrounds as a tough truck when they have the monster trucks shows though...lol
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Reply #108 -
11/09/09 at 8:28pm
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I still think this $20,000 SS engine is someone exagerating what they have in it.
that would be 4 someone's
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Reply #109 -
11/12/09 at 12:37am
This is not an opinion, it's a fact, the 4 barrel carb rule will kill this class. I'll take just a minute to explain. The guys that don't have a real solid rotating assembly will put the 4 barrel on to defend themselves, and POW, we're going yellow for another blown engine in turn 4..... mark my words, I've tried it and it's a big BOOM. Not to just the racers but to the class as a whole as well as many loyal fans. Again, just a proven FACT. Chad
You must know more than all the experts I have talked to. And I thought they were all pretty smart people. Oh well !
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