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Why Have Elections Any Longer?
08/31/09 at 9:41am
 
If groups like the Apollo Alliance and their member organizations are going to draft legislation while our elected representitives neglect to read it and rubber stamp it through congress, what's the point of holding elections any longer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4sOOTF4Lio&feature=related

Sounds harmless enough.

Who are these people and organizations?

http://apolloalliance.org/about/board/

Who funds these people?

http://apolloalliance.org/about/funders/

Who endorses these people?

http://apolloalliance.org/about/endorsers/

What are their acheivements?

http://apolloalliance.org/about/achievements/

They now are in control of 113.5 billion dollars of U.S. taxpayer money.

Any Questions?

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Reply #1 - 08/31/09 at 3:34pm
 
Just how are they "in control of 133 billion dollars of taxpayer money"?

Drafting language for legislation voted on by Congress and signed by the President doesn't mean they "control" anything. It's actually very common.

If you think this is the first time a special interest group has drafted legislation that ended up in a bill, well.. you haven't been paying much attention for the past 30 years or so. Big industries have paid lobbyists for years to draft legislation favorable to their industry, then contributed millions of dollars to the politicians who vote them into a bill.

Conservatives politicians have protected this system of "pay to play" for decades.  Unfortunately, it's nothing new.

But I would add that the list of supporters of this "Apollo Alliance" (I never heard of them until now) includes many conservative groups and businesses. Not sure what that means.

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Reply #2 - 09/01/09 at 12:25am
 
dscEvents wrote on 08/31/09 at 3:34pm:
Just how are they "in control of 133 billion dollars of taxpayer money"?

Drafting language for legislation voted on by Congress and signed by the President doesn't mean they "control" anything. It's actually very common.


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You're kidding right?

How much of that 113.5 billion do you think will ever see the light of day as far as actually going to promoting green jobs, green education and green infrastructure and not to promoting more progressive social reengineering programs and propaganda or more than likely just disappearing as fast as Obama's campaign promises.

HOPE & CHANGE! That's where the 113.5 billion is going...to HOPE & CHANGE

The Apollo Alliance....member organizations link is above.

Acorn and the SEIU...over 400,000 members strong
Listed below are the organizations that comprise the Cal Action (CA. only) network:

Access Sacramento
ACORN (Oakland)
ACORN (San Bernardino)
Act Up Southern California
Alameda Peace Network
Alliance for Democracy
Animals Voice
Anti-Racist Action Los Angeles/People Against Racist Terror
Arlington West
Bay Area Immigrant Rights Coalition
Bay Area Labor Committee for Peace & Justice (LC4PJ)
Bay Area Pax Christi
Bayard Rustin Social Justice Center
Berkeley Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists Social Justice Committee
Berkeley Students Organizing for Justice in the Americas
Border Angels
Buddhist Peace Fellowship Humboldt BPF
California People of Faith Working Against the Death Penalty
Campaign for a Department of Peace, Southern California
Center for Community Action and Environmental Justice
Center on Race, Poverty & the Environment
Chico Peace and Justice Center CPJC
Citizens for a Better Veterans Home
Coachella Valley Chapter of Movement for a Democratic Society
Coalition For Alternatives to Militarism in our Schools
Coastal Convergence Society
CODEPINK: Women for Peace
Committee In Solidarity With The People Of Iran
Committee Opposed to Militarism and the Draft
East Bay Peace Action
Ecological Life Systems Institute
Ella Baker Center for Human Rights
Food Not Bombs (East Bay)
Food Not Bombs (Salano County)
Fort Ord Environmental Justice Network
Grandmothers for Peace International
Green Party Emerald Region
Green Party of Riverside County
How Wierd Street Faire
Human Rights Accompaniment in Haiti-HURAH
Idriss Stelley Foundation
Inland Empire Department of Peace & Peacemaking Alliance
Interfaith Communities United for Justice and Peace
Jane Goodall Institute Roots & Shoots (UCSD chapter)
Kids for Peace
Kurdish American Education Society
Los Altos Voices for Peace
Los Angeles Social Forum
Marxist School of Sacramento
Middle East Children's Alliance
Military Families Speakout (San Gabriel Chapter)
Modesto Anarcho
Monterey Peace and Justice Center
National Lawyers Guild (San Diego)
Natural Capital Institute
Network for Good powered by Groundspring
No War, No Warming (U.C. Riverside)
Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance
Old Lesbians Organizing for Change (Bay Area)
Open Voting Consortium
Orange County Interfaith Coalition for the Environment
Orange County Middle East Peace Fund/Cousins Club
Out Against War: LGBT & Friends Coalition for Peace & Justice
Palisadians for Peace
Peace & Justice Network of San Joaquin County
Peace Action West
Peace Center of Nevada County
Peace Coalition of Monterey County
Peaceroots Alliance West/Farms Not Arms
Peninsula Peace and Justice Center
People for Land And Nature
Progressive Democrats of America (Orange County Chapter)
Progressive Democrats of America (Ventura County)
Progressive Democrats of Los Angeles
Progressive Democrats of Marin
Progressive Democrats of San Luis Obispo County
Progressive Democrats of Silverlake
Progressive Democrats of the Santa Monica Mountains
Progressive-Alliance.org
Project on Youth and Non-Military Opportunities
Radical Women
Raging Grannies Action League
Sacramento For Democracy
San Diego Veterans For Peace
SF Village Voice Community Radio
Social Justice Alliance
Students for a Democratic Society (UCLA)
The GLBT Alliance of Santa Cruz County
Tikkun: Network of Spiritual Progressives
United Nations Ass. of the USA, Northern California Division
United Nations Ass. of the USA, Southern California Division (Region 9)
Veterans For Peace #116
Veterans For Peace #19: Palm Springs
War Times/Tiempo de Guerras
Western States Legal Foundation
WiserEarth Project
Women in Black (Berkeley)
Women`s International League for Peace and Freedom (Peninsula Branch)
Women`s International League for Peace and Freedom (Sacramento)
Women`s International League for Peace and Freedom (San Diego)
World Peace Flag Organization
World Peace Through Technology Organization
Young Koreans United of Los Angeles
Youth In Focus
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Re: Why Have Elections Any Longer?
Reply #3 - 09/01/09 at 9:54am
 
I'm sorry jr07,

I must have misunderstood your point. You don't have a problem with special interests writing legislation (a common practice). You just have a problem when it is done by liberal organizations.

I get it now.
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Reply #4 - 09/01/09 at 5:41pm
 
Dave,

You not only missed the point.

You missed the boat, the train, the bus, and the plane.

I'll demonstrate the point in terms even you'll be able to understand,

I hope......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6H63CD7uQA&NR=1
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Reply #5 - 09/01/09 at 6:05pm
 
I bet not.   LOL       Nothing is wrong, all is fine, the government can do everything for us and we'll never have to worry again.  The nerve of some people pointing out inconsistencies in our government.   Well, I never!!!!


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Reply #6 - 09/01/09 at 6:26pm
 
LOL!  You're right!!

That guy at the end that got the phonograph slammed on his head did sound a lot like Dave.....LOL!!!
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Reply #7 - 09/01/09 at 10:04pm
 
Cool cartoon. Brought back memories of the old school animation. Yes, Communism is bad. But I knew that already.

But the cartoon was entertaining. If just to see what was considered the American dream back then.

What made it most interesting is how it touts so many American features that are not even remotely accurate in 2009.  Especially the part bragging about American wages and income. Back in 1948 the average worker made a decent living and could buy a home and have a family on a single income. We were rightly proud of that... then.

But of course that was before corporations moved their factories from America to somewhere with cheap labor and laid off all those American workers in order to make an extra few bucks for the executives. In 1948 the average executive made about 30 times more in wages than his workers. Today executives make 600 times more than what the worker makes.

That is the biggest factor in the degradation of the American dream.

It's all well and good to pine for the old days of moral living, but if we do, lets go back to the old pay structure that allowed an enormous middle-class to truly live the American Dream. That was, as the cartoon says, the real "secret to American prosperity".

Just my opinion, but I'm sure you guys have some good insults ready. lol

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Reply #8 - 09/02/09 at 7:54am
 
N.A.F.T.A.

Along with a democratic world federalist philosophy and agenda.

Remember Gore pitchoing his a$$ off while Clinton had the pen ready to sign it into law?

What happened to Obama's campaign promise to renegotiate NAFTA?

I can't believe that the unions aren't holding his feet to the fire on this, or perhaps the stimulus package and takeover of the auto industry was a sufficient alternative to satisfy organized labor.

The most important reason Obama needs national healthcare now is the UAW. Everyone knows that GM was in the business of providing healthcare to it's retirees more so than manufacturing automobiles.

5 billion dollars in annual healthcare costs for employees and retirees. Is it any wonder GM couldn't make a car anyone wanted to buy?

Obama now owns the UAW (or perhaps they own him) and that 5 billion dollar annual cost.

This is the #1 reason the Whitehouse and House Dems are desperately pushing so hard for healthcare reform? They cannot afford to lose this one, and will do anything to get it done.
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