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TIME TO MAKE THE SWITCH TO ALUMINUM BODIES? (Read 49861 times)
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Re: TIME TO MAKE THE SWITCH TO ALUMINUM BODIES?
Reply #44 -
11/21/06 at 12:52pm
Then just call them Limited Late Models and go race. In the old days when you wanted a different car or motor, you moved up a class, now everyone just wants to move the whole class up. Then you have to start the original class over again, and have more classes with small counts in each.
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11/21/06 at 1:08pm
I agree Dirt LM. Look at the NHRA. If you want to race a current class, you must meet the class rules. If you guys want to change the look of the cars, change the class you run. There are plenty of tracks that run Limited Late Models. Some of you guys can even use your crate motors. Most of you want to get too far away from a Street Stock (Super Stock) type car. Base the car off what we can drive on the street. Limited Late Models have there place (just not in this class).
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11/21/06 at 1:20pm
I think the steel roofs should stay.. Other than that as long as it fits the EW rules it shouldnt matter. Maybe a tight pillar rule, like the ones the guys ran in the 90s, would help distinguish the cars from complete latemodels. Im not sure how we decide what is considered a wedge nose or whats a slope. If steel came painted there would be an argument to keep steel. It's just not out there.
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11/21/06 at 1:27pm
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on 11/21/06 at 1:08pm:
Base the car off what we can drive on the street. Limited Late Models have there place (just not in this class).
If we did this we could run aluminum engines, and four wheel drive cars, with traction control,and computer controlled suspension. I'm all for it, lets get it going!
The truth is, if we rename the class it should be called "Wagon Stocks", our technology is ancient compared to today's street cars.
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Re: TIME TO MAKE THE SWITCH TO ALUMINUM BODIES?
Reply #48 -
11/21/06 at 2:00pm
I do not see what the big problem really is. The chassis will stay the same, the engine package rules will stay the same, it's only the body for crying out loud! Nobody is forced to run any specific body. If you guys still want to go to a wrecking yard and take your torches, and plasma cutters, go for it, nobody is saying you can't. The cars still weigh 3,000 lbs. Lee is right, how longs it been since you've seen very many 1974 Camaro's roaming the streets. The Hobby Stocks of today are the Street Stocks of 7-8 years ago. Things change, rules change. All we as racers can do is to try and better the class for the fans, promoters and ourselves. If that is by just allowing different bodies in a class and is not even being forced upon anyone, I just do not see the problem.
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11/21/06 at 2:33pm
A body does not make a pro stock ( super stock ) a limited late.
Wide fives, quick changes, motor set back, coil-overs,z-link, birdcages, Brinns, etc. make a limited late a limited late.
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11/21/06 at 2:56pm
I agree with both Daves.
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11/21/06 at 2:59pm
dirtLM wrote
on 11/21/06 at 12:52pm:
Then just call them Limited Late Models and go race. In the old days when you wanted a different car or motor, you moved up a class, now everyone just wants to move the whole class up. Then you have to start the original class over again, and have more classes with small counts in each.
i guess a class should never evolve with time according to this statement......................
peace...........................mike
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I'm sure everyone is tired of hearing this from me, but here it is again.
From dictionary.com
stock car
n.
1. An automobile of a standard make modified for racing.
2. A railroad car for carrying livestock.
I think we still fit definition #1. I also generally think stock cars have fenders. Don't forget that many places still call "late models" - "late model stocks".
We still run street tires, so in theory, we could still be "street stocks".
Is there anyone out there that actually drove thier "street stock" to the track in the last 10 years, on a regular basis? I know it was common to do it back in the day, but I don't think so much lately.
Changing the name doesn't change anything, but the name. It still costs the same and the same people are going to race the same class.
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11/21/06 at 3:59pm
In the 70's the racers were more advanced for their time than we are.
In the 70s guys were racing 70's camaros (even hobby stocks),
In the 80s they ran 70's camaros
In the 90's they ran 70's camaros.
It's 2006 and were still on 70's camaros. 40 years on the Camaro. I can't believe any of those cars are still around.
If you run a stock bodied 70s camaro (Almost 40 years old) you should be able to run in the nastalgia class.
Can somene even imagine a 2000 anything on the track. As with any class out there we should have some kind of body guideline. I thought it was wierd that we were 2 inches wider than a latemodel. In any case Latemodels, IMCAs both have guidelines as should super whatevers.
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Here is what I was thinking.... I think Super Stock or Pro Stock works. If you call it Limited Late Model you end up with guys that want to get their old Stock Clip cars in and then someone will find one of the Cox Bros. old GRT cars and it will never end.
I'm in the process of getting an old Watsonville SS ready to come and run some races with EW and don't know what to do about a body. I like the Aluminum deal as long as the cars look like what they do now. My car has a fiberglass roof but I don't object to finding something steel. Any chance we can keep the cars from evolving into something that people can't afford to run? I mean, we alrady have Late Models. Super Stocks looks like a fun place to be!
Now we need Northern cars on the same page as you EW guys!
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Re: TIME TO MAKE THE SWITCH TO ALUMINUM BODIES?
Reply #55 -
11/21/06 at 8:12pm
Dirt_Track_Junkie wrote
on 11/21/06 at 5:15pm:
old Stock Clip cars in and then someone will find one of the Cox Bros. old GRT cars and it will never end.
Too late Junkie; You need a closer look at the Victory Circle Street Stocks they are selling. No-stock anything on the chassis but the front clip. Add the do-almost-anything to the rear leaf spring mounts and you have a limited Late model.
Am still getting inquiries on changing a mod over to a Street; I think one will be out next season.
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11/21/06 at 8:58pm
I hadn't seen one yet. I just assumed they all looked like like Denman's, Jensen's, Cardoza's....
Bummer!
Where is Randy Gray when we need him?
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11/21/06 at 9:29pm
imracin68j wrote
on 11/21/06 at 3:59pm:
I thought it was wierd that we were 2 inches wider than a latemodel.
Billy, a Late Model is 76" wide across the top of the door and 84" wide across the bottom.
I dont think your Camaro is wider than that. My Mustang is 70" across the top and 72" across the bottom.
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11/21/06 at 9:46pm
I believe the SS rule is 78 but I could be wrong. My car is 72ish (Pre-dents)
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11/21/06 at 9:50pm
Cliff notes for this whole thread.
Some want aluminum, some dont care, some say no.
Some ask what makes a street stock a street stock. Some say body, some say chassis, some dont care what you call as long as they fit the rules.
Some say late model noses some say wedge noses some ask whats a wedge nose.
Some say aluminum comes painted. Some say steel comes painted.
So in other words to sum up the whole story. This whole thread says:"I want aluminum bodies cause I dont want to paint anymore. I dont care what you call my car as long as its legal. And who cares if everyone has finally agreed on rules. Now that they have lets try to change them already."
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Re: TIME TO MAKE THE SWITCH TO ALUMINUM BODIES?
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11/22/06 at 9:11pm
ST_ODIE wrote
on 11/21/06 at 10:09am:
I'm Ok with it
JUST AS LONG AS IT LOOKS LIKE A CAR
they will odie, they will look like dirt stockcars
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11/22/06 at 9:57pm
The "Batmobile" is a car isn't it?
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Re: TIME TO MAKE THE SWITCH TO ALUMINUM BODIES?
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11/23/06 at 9:26am
They were all late models, If you want to be late models there is already a class.
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11/23/06 at 10:37am
http://www.performancebodies.com/short_track_lumina.asp
Even comes in pre painted steel.
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11/23/06 at 11:12am
http://www.imca.com/rules.php?divisionid=22
Looking at this on the surface looks like a full blown latemodel but it really isnt if you look at it. It looks pretty good with a couple small adjusments..
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11/23/06 at 11:19am
Ryan D. wrote
on 11/23/06 at 10:37am:
http://www.performancebodies.com/short_track_lumina.asp
Even comes in pre painted steel.
And it's painted in all those beautiful colors you mentioned before:
Ryan D. wrote
on 11/17/06 at 8:15pm:
It does It comes in white, and white and I belive also white
For the same price as white alum.
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