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Message started by tony55k on 12/18/13 at 4:22pm

Title: new class in hanford.
Post by tony55k on 12/18/13 at 4:22pm

We are starting a new class for Kings Speedway and would like to get the word out. This class will be called the Mod 4's. It will have an a-mod body and a sport-mod suspension, all IMCA legal. But instead of the common SBC, we will be using a 4cyl motor and a stock trans. One of the benefits of this car is that every thing is IMCA legal with the exception of the motor and trans. So the chassis and suspension can use the IMCA tech. And the motor and trans can have their own set of rules. I'm curious as to what everyone else thinks.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by formercrewguy on 12/18/13 at 5:13pm

Sorry, but it will die before it ever gets started. JMO.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by tony55k on 12/18/13 at 7:26pm

Y is that? Do you think there's no market for it or that it would be too hard to find a place for it. We're not trying to make up some kind of fad class. Its an entry level class that looks like an actual race car. I appreciate your opinions but if you could elaborate on them to provide a valid point of discussion.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by streetstockracer on 12/18/13 at 8:26pm

To the average fan in the stands, they will look like slow modifieds.
Sorry.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by Meneley1 on 12/18/13 at 8:42pm

I do not think it will have very much interest if any at all. You are talking about a full blown fabricated race car chassis for an entry level division. Too much money if you ask me. You can buy a turn key mini stock cheaper than a full mod roller. I don't see people spending that kind of $$ to race something like that. It would turn into a who has the most HP on a car like that. Guys would have the same $$ in it than a sport mod, IMO. On the plus side though, it would be cool to see a Mod get thru 5 laps before a yellow for once. Good luck with it if it goes.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by tony55k on 12/18/13 at 9:37pm

The reason this class was even thought of is because they told the mini stocks that we were going to fast. So we didn't want to choke down these motors that we dumped a bunch of money in to.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 12/18/13 at 9:52pm

tony55k wrote on 12/18/13 at 7:26pm:

Points for discussion.

1. There are already to many classes to chose from. To many classes means lower car counts per class.

2. How many more entry level classes are needed?
a. Mini stocks
b. American stocks
c. Hobby stocks
d. Sport mod's

3. A full sized Mod with a 4 banger in it? Now that's gonna' really get the crowd on their feet ....... NOT!!!

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by tony55k on 12/18/13 at 10:56pm

Another way to look at this is that it could be a stepping stone for the inexperienced sport-mod drivers. Not only would they be able to use the same cars, it could also alleviate the constant yellow flags in the sport-mod class. Making it an actual race instead of who can hold out the longest in that destruction derby of a main event. I believe that you need to go through the ranks in order to build the experience needed to compete. What better platform to start from.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by miniguru27 on 12/19/13 at 8:46pm

They had a class like this in ventura about 15yrs ago called VRA Mods. was ok for a while then it died off and got dropped..

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 12/20/13 at 9:25am

tony55k wrote on 12/18/13 at 10:56pm:

If you are truly concerned about the amount of wrecks in the Sport Mod class, then bring in a couple of the more accomplished drivers and hold a couple seminars. One-on-one instruction will produce far better results. All another class of cars will do is produce another "small" class ........... and they will still be creating yellows.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by tony55k on 12/20/13 at 2:57pm

If you truly believe that your going to get all the inexperienced drivers to go to a seminar, I've got some ocean front property in Arizona that I would like to sell you. First of all tell me who is going to admit to being a bad enough driver to qualify for this seminar. The reason for all of the cautions is always someone else's fault, and they just get caught up in them. How would you react to someone telling you that you can't drive and you need to go and listen to a guy that whoops your ass on the track consistently? Not only will people not sign up for your seminar, they will laugh at the fact that you told them too.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 12/20/13 at 3:57pm

tony55k wrote on 12/20/13 at 2:57pm:

I know "experienced" drivers that have attended seminars just to pick up any tidbits of info they could and to hone their skills. And I don't know any rookie driver that wouldn't jump at a chance to learn whatever they could from a more experienced driver.

No thanks on the Arizona property, and unlike you, I will refrain from any condescending remarks.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by TALON75 on 12/20/13 at 5:13pm

Another class of anything is a horrible idea in California !! The absolute last thing we need is another look alike division with 8 cars!! But by all means knock yourself out!

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by tony55k on 12/21/13 at 7:47am

Thank you for your opinions, I would like to see what you guys think about the setup and regulations for this new class. I understand that some of you feel like we don't need another class, but this is going to happen. So I'm going to try to make this the best for however long it lasts, and would like some advise as the best way to regulate and manage these new cars. Thank you.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by Mighty Quinn Racing on 12/21/13 at 8:37am

i agree there are already too many classes. but also that all the previously mentioined entry level classes, are completely out of control. ministocks are no exception. which brings me to my suggestion for your new 4cyl mod class....
pick one, readily available, and easy to tech engine. do some research and find one thats cheap to build and reliable. put compression and cam limits on it, put a 350 holley on it, and the class might survive a while.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by tony55k on 12/21/13 at 11:59am

The rules that we have so far is: frame, roll cage, door bars, body, driver compartment, front suspension, steering, shocks, springs, rear suspension, rear end, bumpers, tires, and wheels, brakes, battery, and starter, engine compartment must apply to Northern Sport-mod rules. Car must weigh 2300lbs minimum. 2014 season american racer IMCA stamped tires will be allowed but prefer Hoosier g60 per IMCA. Engine any OEM production inline 4 cylinder cast block. No grinding or milling outside block or head allowed. OEM single can cylinder head only. 1 two barrel carb allowed. Transmission. Any OEM production transmission that matches engine, ford- ford, Chevy-Chevy. No mini clutches, must have all forward gears and reverse gears. Automatics must have torque converter. Electric fans ok. Gas only. Electric fuel pump ok.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by 32MORGAN on 12/21/13 at 8:23pm

sounds like obama care and the rules indicate it should get expensive really fast. g-60, 2300 lbs, and less than 200 hp. that should fix something. jmo

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by DANNY25SS on 12/21/13 at 10:23pm

32MORGAN wrote on 12/21/13 at 8:23pm:

sounds like obama care and the rules indicate it should get expensive really fast. g-60, 2300 lbs, and less than 200 hp. that should fix something. jmo

I have a question, with the serious lack of power will these things even be drivable?

I ask this purely as an outsider, it is still a sport mod with sport mod suspension. I couldn't see my SS with my wifes Volvo motor in it talk about a WIKKID push LMAO.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by tony55k on 12/22/13 at 12:11am

Our mini stock cars and trucks were at the same weight. On top of the fact that we could only run a DOT tire. I honestly believe that these cars will be a much better class than the mini stocks.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 12/22/13 at 8:10am

Where do you anticipate the drivers for the new class will come from?

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 12/22/13 at 11:22am

I see a 2014 Harris and a esslinger motor mopping up the other 3 guys.

Porterville turkey race,, 3 opens lapped the others.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by tony55k on 12/22/13 at 8:01pm

The drivers at first will be former mini stock drivers. The buzz around this area is increasing everyday. And for Dave, the motors we have to run will be stock OEM cast blocks, no midget motors in these cars.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by miniguru27 on 12/22/13 at 10:31pm

I'll sell you an all cast iron 2850cc esslinger motor for 5,500. It makes approx. 275hp. Or I can get you a 2600cc dry sump esslinger motor complete for 3,500.It makes approx. 285hp.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by tony55k on 12/23/13 at 8:17am

We are looking for OEM. If you can prove that ford used that instead of the 2.3 in their production vehicles than I would buy one right now. Actually I probably wouldn't because I'm a Chevy guy. But I understand that if your not strict on the tech, people will gravitate to the Esslinger or KRP because they know that they can get away with it. We still want to keep it on the cheaper side, some what, but not mini stock cheap. We want these drivers to take pride in their racecars and if you put in the time, effort, and finances, they tend to take care of it better. Our cars will not be destruction derby cars. I know that rubbin is racin and wrecks happen, but these guys want to stay competitive and have fun.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by mudslinger47 on 12/23/13 at 8:18am

They don't seem to realize you'll never legislate money out of racing. Them what gots, gits and them that don't, don't. Its a racing reality... Ya'll need to just get a sport mod and go racing...why try to re-invent the wheel?

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by DANNY25SS on 12/23/13 at 10:07am

mudslinger47 wrote on 12/23/13 at 8:18am:

^^^^^LIKES^^^^^

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by miniguru27 on 12/23/13 at 11:19am

How are you planning on keeping someone from putting chevy rods and a big valve big cam motor together? And both of my Esslinger motors are in OEM blocks and heads. Just saying.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by ninjaforce2 on 12/23/13 at 11:50am

they did this 4cyl thing with the pavement late models yrs ago, they were fast with the esslinger race motors. but the class soon died out. I really cant justify building a full modified and stuffing a little motor in it. In utah they started something similiar like this with the mods but there limited to a 305 v8 motor. I like the idea for people to just go to sportmods. You might wanna check out the pro 4 mini mod class they have in pahrump speedway. what they are are mini stocks that have the appearance of a modified and or a late model. but then again....that class is down to a few cars per week as well. good luck!

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by formercrewguy on 12/23/13 at 4:05pm

Might want to limit them to a Briggs.............. ::)

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by mudslinger47 on 12/23/13 at 5:43pm

formercrewguy wrote on 12/23/13 at 4:05pm:

Might want to limit them to a Briggs.............. ::)

Ain't that the mini dwarf....

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by formercrewguy on 12/23/13 at 5:51pm

mudslinger47 wrote on 12/23/13 at 5:43pm:

formercrewguy wrote on 12/23/13 at 4:05pm:

Might want to limit them to a Briggs.............. ::)

Ain't that the mini dwarf....

No. They use Hondas.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by 14pGRT on 12/23/13 at 11:02pm

There's a difference between going fast in a safe race car and going fast in an unsafe race car. Just slow them down or at least make them look safer.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by Nick Tucker Motorsports on 12/27/13 at 5:41am

The only thing I see good about this class is for kids. 11yr-14yr olds. For that age group it's perfect if they plan on running mods or/and latemodels some day. The cars would handle and drive close to the same as a modified or latemodel. They would learn at a young age how to drive, feel what the car is doing and make adjustments to the chasiss, so when they move up to a modified or latemodel at 15+ yrs old they understand what the car is doing. Kinda like mini sprints, it prepares u for a sprint car. In the mid west they run mini latemodels, looks like a full blown latemodel just scaled down.

http://www.racingjunk.com/Other/2004721/3-4-Late-Model-Package-with-Chassis-Jig.html

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by Chad11 on 12/27/13 at 9:46am

Oh god. With the money guys spend on mini dwarfs now, those would be $50,000 cars in no time. lol

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by Bryan@CrownDesigns on 01/23/14 at 12:32pm

Oh man, cant wait for these to hit the track!

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by formercrewguy on 01/25/14 at 3:38pm

14pGRT wrote on 12/23/13 at 11:02pm:

There's a difference between going fast in a safe race car and going fast in an unsafe race car. Just slow them down or at least make them look safer.

Dumbest post on LMR.

Title: Re: new class in hanford.
Post by 14pGRT on 01/28/14 at 6:32pm

formercrewguy wrote on 01/25/14 at 3:38pm:

14pGRT wrote on 12/23/13 at 11:02pm:

There's a difference between going fast in a safe race car and going fast in an unsafe race car. Just slow them down or at least make them look safer.

Dumbest post on LMR.

This entire post is about a new class because the mini's in Hanford are going too fast. Have you seen the mini's in Hanford? You need a tetanus shot to get around some of them, not to mention every time I've been there they have a red flag because one flipped over the burm or two of them collided and partially went through the front stretch fence. If the cars were made more safe, speed would not be such a problem in this entry class.

So please, former crew guy, enlighten all of us on your expertise.