Post by Chris Kearns on 04/30/13 at 11:40am
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http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Tracks >> SANTA MARIA RACEWAY >> SMS NATS INFO http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1366833595 Message started by Ruben M on 04/24/13 at 12:59pm |
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Title: SMS NATS INFO Post by Ruben M on 04/24/13 at 12:59pm LATE MODELS NIGHT 1 $2,000.00 $1,000.00 $500.00 $400.00 $350.00 $350.00 $325.00 $325.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $8,850.00 $50 NON QUALIFIERS $50 ENTRY FEE $40 PIT PASS PER DAY LATE MODEL NIGHT 2 $3,000.00 $1,500.00 $750.00 $600.00 $400.00 $350.00 $350.00 $325.00 $325.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $300.00 $10,900.00 $100 NON QUALIFIERS $100 ENTRY FEE $40 PIT PASS |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by JStewart4 on 04/24/13 at 1:13pm $140.00 to get in each night, $300.00 start ? REALLY ? LOL 5th place in the main is only $50.00 more than 5th place in the SS.. Nice... |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by TALON75 on 04/24/13 at 2:12pm JStewart4 wrote on 04/24/13 at 1:13pm:
or the Hobby's for that matter!! the entry each night is only 90 the first night, 50 entry and 40 pit pass, at least that is how I read it . |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by steph on 04/24/13 at 2:48pm I think you are adding the $50 non-qualifiers to the total cost, Brett Favre. It's 90, if you don't make the main you get $50. Hope to see you out there!! |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by ObertelloRacing on 04/24/13 at 7:50pm Lake Time. |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by JStewart4 on 04/25/13 at 8:04am I posted 14 minutes after the SMS NATS INFO post was up and I'm almost positive that it was 100 entry each night thats how I came up with 140 (100 entry and 40 pit pass) If I don't get 1 of my engines back in the next couple weeks I will just be the drunk guy in the stands anyway.. |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by mudslinger47 on 04/25/13 at 9:07am People that don't support the DLM's will soon wonder why all the tracks will go to 650 to win and 50 bucks to start like some of the northern Ca tracks. Tracks can't pay good purses with 13 cars and you can't race a 50 to 60K car logically for 50 bucks to start...And I thought the Super Streets were in trouble... |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by steph on 04/25/13 at 9:54am JStewart4 wrote on 04/25/13 at 8:04am:
Looks like the second night is now 140 and the first night 90. |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by JStewart4 on 04/25/13 at 10:51am Duane, At what point does the DLM owner's have the right to question the cost/purse ratio before " supporting the DLM's"? It cost the car owner the same amount to race doesn't matter if there is 13 cars are 30 cars so it seems the problem isn't the car owners. The cost to run a DLM goes up every year yet the purse goes down.. Example: tires are 150 dollars each and the backs are hurt after a night, thats $300. in tires + $180. fuel + $140. to enter = $620. You have to finish 3rd in the main to make $120. Not counting wear and tear. Remember If you got 20 fast cars you have a fast car finishing 20th. .... I know your not going to make money racing but we can atleast try to limit the loss. With all that said, I'm planning on running both SS and LM both nights.. :) |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by formercrewguy on 04/25/13 at 12:51pm JStewart4 wrote on 04/25/13 at 10:51am:
I remember when you were a shoe-in for 3rd or better......... ;D.....git er done. |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by ObertelloRacing on 04/25/13 at 1:27pm First off, Payout is good not great but good better than most I guess. We have just the one motor together at this point and we are picking a few LM races to run this year mostly at Bakersfield which is by far the area where we have the most sponsor support. Have to support those who support us. That being said, all costs involved makes it a money loosing deal anyway-anywhere-anytime....but the fun factor is off the charts. SMS has been good to us in the past but last year we had terrible luck racing and otherwise at SMS, so we are choosing to sit this one out at this time... things might change though. And for the "northern tracks" I really believe they're pushing the limit to see what they can get away with and still get LM's to race, period I doubt it has much to do with the past car counts or quality of racing. And it's always nice to see a big number to win but that's for one car I always thought that maybe the winner's share could be smaller and the difference spread out more through the field in any class of race car buts that tradition and it is hard to change. Now I have to go kill bugs.....Good luck to everybody who chooses to race the Nationals....Ron |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by old fart racing 8 on 04/25/13 at 2:13pm CT 525! Burns 40 dollars fuel per race. That saves you 140 over race gas! |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by elmer on 04/25/13 at 3:55pm I have to agree with Mr. Obertello on this one. A guy that travels any kind of distance has to get a hotel room,food ,gas for truck and race car,pit passes and entry fees. It will cost 1000.00 for the 2 nights of racing. This does'nt include tires or wear and tear,or any kind of damage. This is a decent payout if you are a local racer. I also think that more cars would come if there was more money spread through the field. I dont like the top heavy purses either,only 1 guy gets the reward. Good luck to all that go and support this race. |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by ObertelloRacing on 04/25/13 at 6:25pm Who's this Mr. Obertello guy? And yea for a two day show pit passes for the crew fuel food lodging etc would be close if not a bit more than $1000.00.....but we do go to win and I'm confident in my driver's ability and his setup knowledge that we would be right there for the win and with some luck even end up on the plus side. Really for us maybe we just have a few different priorities this year.... |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by Chad Reichenbach on 04/25/13 at 8:54pm I got back into this just to have some fun and enjoy my midlife crisis. The 525 was what originally sold me to get a late model again, affordable motor, pump gas, expected longevity, etc. for the purse structure available. But....when I bought my car the guy made me a deal I could not refuse which included a fresh open motor (now broke). Regardless the cost vs. return is WAY out of balance. The playing field is NOT level with the 525 when there is traction! (We need to quit glorifying how it will even out when it slicks off) that's why you don't see more teams running them. Now I know everybody jumps on Nicks success with the 525 as a means to disparage any allowances for running the 525, but I must say...Nick is a better than average driver in fact he is a Fantastic driver and does his homework on racing, coupled with a Very knowledgeable crewchief. I just don't think it is fair to use Nicks success with the crate as a means of status quo rules. There needs to be more incentive to run it on all track conditions competitively (not just the slick). Better Options to run either motor on an equal playing field. keeping the big Wally motor with penalties or just on the shelf for.....hmmm Tucson? I wholeheartedly agree with you guys the cost just to get to the track is a lot higher than it used to be, including parts, tires, pit passes, ice, sodas, water, hauler fuel, NOW entry fees, etc. etc etc. it's crazy! We race for FUN and we all have real jobs that pay the bills and we are willing to spend some money to enjoy this hobby that we all love but for some reason we cannot come together to control the cost on the (West coast)and its always been this way. Understand..."this is the west coast" our territory! our home! and there are some great drivers and car owners on the West coast, but it is what it is. very little purse. Regionally but Scweitzer (bako) pays the best local purse but lacks in car count? Go figure? We just don't have these big dollar Late model races with drivers who race for a living and a ton of fans supporting it. We need to make it affordable for more racers to move up to late models and those who have them already to be able to travel in this Large area named the West coast. (There are a lot of late models Parked!) Affordable rules = higher car count=better purse's, again=higher car count =again better purse with more fans seeing an awesome show within our Region our home (West coast). Why do we need to have cars like Moyer, Bloomquist, Owens, etc. and race for peanuts? .......Ok I'm done venting :-/ maybe i should just hack my front clip off my car weld a stock stub on it (SS) 3 link it and race for similar wages (comparatively) hmmmm... I might be a little more competitive too. Sorry just being a little selfish. Chad |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by mudslinger47 on 04/26/13 at 4:09am Chad Reichenbach wrote on 04/25/13 at 8:54pm:
Chad you are in the exact same situation I was in. I bought a car with a good motor and got a great deal. (Dick Sheppards car) My problem with racing that car, it was always in the back of my mind. If I blow this motor Im done. So I never really pushed it and it made racing not as fun. Now you blow a motor and you dont have 15k laying around to fix it so you have to sit until you can afford to fix it. This hurts the promoter financially and takes the fun out of it for you.This is why the 525 is the way to go. I dont understand why the promotors dont give the 525 THE ADVANTAGE. It would seem to me that the more the 525 engine won the more LM drivers would be interested in it. The result is far fewer blown motors and weekly costs of running the motors way down, gas,oil. The arguement is you cannot get the cars that light. Okay compormise, 2200 525 2400 big C.U. I would make the 525 as competitve as possible. Its in the promoters best interest. I know CK doesnt give a weight break for the 525 but ultimatly its not up to him. Its up to the track promoters. They want car count. My son graduates next year and Im thinking of buying another LM, I hope the rules favor the 525. Its healthy for the class. The big dollar guys may not like this but you dont have that many big dollar guys. Just my 2cents. Chet |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by Chris Kearns on 04/27/13 at 10:09am This is a West Coast Late Model Show. Entry fee is $50 each night. Non qualifier is $100 each night |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by Chris Kearns on 04/27/13 at 10:18am I will be supplying my transponder system, so Late Models will be qualifying. We can use it for West Coast Super Stocks also, if Ruben plans to (has time to) qualify them also. |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by Chris Kearns on 04/30/13 at 11:40am
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by Late_Model_Mark on 05/01/13 at 3:30pm Many solid and valid points. Affordable does not go along with any Late Model class, never will, just the way it is. I have seen the 525 down here for 5+ years now, in my view, when the track is very heavy or fast, it is indeed slower, but how long does it stay heavy? Anywhere for that matter. The 525 gets to run a 12" spoiler down here. You should here some of the 8" guys raise hell when they get worked over by the '25 with that blade. 2 examples of the merits of the '25 are Ronnie Johnson and Ross Martin. Winning big and little shows against sum big powerplants. What still puzzles me besides the cost of operation in California, is still that dad gum state can't throw up at least 1, just 1 dang it, $10,000-to-win show, not one. I'll tell ya, ol Bako draws some bigger crowds for a regular show that some joints I have gone to down here for $8 and $10-granders. Wasn't it just a few years ago during the terrific days of the Western All Stars that car counts were booming for the West? Then the usual hogwash ruined it yet again. Thanks to SMS and Bako, LM racing is hanging on but not by much. That ticks me off. >:( Please understand this next comment is not hatefull or bitter, but as in the past, this region is just full of excuses from car count, purses, tracks, and so on. Yes it is different elsewhere like here in the 3-state area of Mississippi, Alabama, and Tennessee, but the racers don't belt out reasons why it ain't happening, they just go race. It is the track operators who are filled with worry due to the fact that there are so many tracks in the above region all vying for the racers and fans, major competition to say the least. Maybe off this particular topic, within 175 miles of Birmingham you have these choices to run a LM and there just ain't enough of 'em to "all" have full fields. The list in no order, the choices boggle. Talladega Short Track-AL Green Valley Speedway-AL Fort Payne Mo. Speedway-AL East Alabama Mo. Speedway-AL Moulton Speedway-AL North Alabama Speedway-AL Magnolia Motor Speedway-MS Columbus Motor Speedway-MS Whynot Mo. Park-MS. Thunderhill Speedway-TN Duck River Mo. Park-TN Winchester Speedway-TN Tennessee National Raceway-TN Winchester Speedway-TN Boyds Speedway-GE Cleveland Speedway-GE Rome Speedway-GE Dixie Speedway-GE North Georgia Speedway-GE Somehow they get it done and stay open. I miss the LM races at Bako and SMS, not the constant excuses, thanks for bearing with this long post, I need a drink. :-? Late Model Mark Green Valley Speedway Announcer Moulton Speedway Announcer |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by formercrewguy on 05/01/13 at 4:28pm Tuscon has a 10 grander every year, with a 5 and a few 3's thrown in. The problem is tracks are spread out much more out here. You know this. Also, out East, the guys would rather have a $65,000 race car than a house. Hence they probably live in trailers. I'm willing to bet also that local sponsors are dumping MANY times more dollars in cars than out here. It costs alot of money to live out here......if not, then why did you retire in the South instead of the LA area? Also,not raggin'. |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by mudslinger47 on 05/01/13 at 6:43pm I'm gonna relay a conversation I had with Pete on the way to Stockton 99. He had talked to a buddy of his prior (a week or so), John Wilson. John said basically, raise the minimum weight of the Super a hundred pounds so the 525 could actually get the use of a 200 LBS weight break. Initially, Pete thought it was a terrible idea, why he wouldn't stack a hundred pounds on the car for that...fast forward a couple of days, and Pete makes a 180 on the deal and remarks that it really isn't that big of a deal. If the SLM drivers and owners were to be honest here, most of them are trippin the scales at darn close to 2400 now, if not over, and I think Pete is one of them that is over. And from prior chats with Rick F. their over too, as a mater of fact Rick feels the "numbers" are far more important then the weight (with in reason of course). What it boils down to is the late model shows out here aren't generally going to pay much more then they do now for a local show and maybe just a bit more for the special shows, so you have to figure out a way to cut some of the expense to the racer. We all know the cost of the new fire breather is in the high (very high) 30K range with re freshens from 8K and up to as much as 18K depending how bad you hurt it. If you bought everything brand new for the 525, your at about 11K. Still a lot of money but a motor that if taken care of will run you virtually cost free for three years. And by that I mean no freshen, only oil changes and maybe plugs occasionally. All boils down to ya can't sell a show with 13 cars (on the average) you have to do something to build the class. 11K and pump gas will go a long way toward that. A fix all? Nope, but maybe a beginning. I might point out the popularity of the sport mod...reason? A mods got ridiculously expensive....sound familiar? |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by mudslinger47 on 05/01/13 at 6:51pm JStewart4 wrote on 04/25/13 at 10:51am:
I feel you pain brother.... the economy priced Chet and I right out of the ball park. We got out wrong, but that was our error. That hindsight crap is always 2020, isn't it.. And I told you before, you driving style is perfect for the 525, straight and smooth. It might not win ya a bunch of races, but it'll put you in the hunt for a heck of a lot less money and a heck of a lot more fun... |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by Chad Reichenbach on 05/02/13 at 6:56am Mark What's the average car count at those tracks? What's the average payout? (Including start money not just the winners share) how much are pit passes and entry fees and again whats the radius distance of all those tracks? I understand L/M don't coincide with the word affordable. but...maybe a better statement is "we can make it more feasible to race". Take a map of just California (not Az. Or. Nv.) and lay it over a map of those tracks you listed and try to calculate tow rig fuel alone. I assume the tracks south go slick real quick? Well, They should with all the cars that show up. But out here it we get a lot of hammer down tracks and with small car counts it is even more likely to stay hooked. Comparing RJ to the average racer in the SLICK isn't a good comparison for the west coast. The point I was making previously is in the mud the 525 is not competitive and spoiler won't fix it in the mud. Or you would see more cars running the 525. I love L/M's and would like to see bigger fields and b mains but to travel as far as we have to race for the purses we run for and with the expenses occurred weekly we need to all work together for the benefit of our area and car growth. I didn't want to come across complaining. Just wanting to improve our shows out here. Chad Reichenbach |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by ObertelloRacing on 05/02/13 at 11:39am Chad, I agree. |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by Evolution West on 05/03/13 at 11:06am Your also comparing to an area of the country where racers are RACERS they have no hobbies, therefore they have no boats no Harley's no snowboards, the most activity they see in the winter, or at least from what I've seen out of many racers in the Midwest and south is, they race when there's no snow, when there's snow they work on the race cars... Which is fine, it's fantastic actually, but there's a lot more to do in california than there is in Alabama or Iowa or Missouri or Tennessee... Some people have another aluminum LM motor wrapped up in a boat, some have it wrapped up in a motor home for the family, some have it wrapped up in Harley's or dirt bikes or fishing... Also the price of a gallon of milk here is more than anywhere, so California's expenses also hurt racing as compared to many other states as well |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 05/03/13 at 12:17pm Evolution West wrote on 05/03/13 at 11:06am:
"YEP"^^^^^ what he said. Also don't foget the cost of fuel here in Cali............... |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by Dodgerdog on 05/03/13 at 7:25pm Evolution West wrote on 05/03/13 at 11:06am:
I dunno...they hunt alot out here. Hunters tend to take thier hunting very seriously....its another life really. Hell, we almost lost the IntimiGator cause he wanted to spend more time hunting. We never get to see him at the National 100 cause thats usually the last weekend of bow season or the 1st weekend of gun season. But more accurately, yes indeed the economy is waaay different. Milk, gas, electricity. ( Beer is cheaper in cali though) And the geography is less challenging. I also think theres alot more "old money" out in the south. More weekend racers are working out of shops that have been around for generations. The sponsorship money is alot better for those that go big time travel racing. Plus, we have more rednecks too. That should count for something. ;) |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by Dodgerdog on 05/03/13 at 7:34pm Disregard the hunting excuse....hunting season is actually perfectly timed for the off season. But I'm sure theres other stuff to do, it aint like we dont have lakes! I'll give you this though....Racing in California is MUCH more difficult to do than out here in the south, for many obvious verifiable reasons. now quit yer whinin and support the show. ;D |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by Late_Model_Mark on 05/04/13 at 8:34am Very well said Chad and I get what your pointing out. I know, as I've stated, it is a very different animal out here. (down yonder as they say ;)) It sure is much easier to find a track without blowin' five twenties in petrol just gettin' there. It just kinda bums me out when a joint like the new deal at Stockton puts up a $2-grander and a dozen cars or so shows up. A question was asked about average car counts in the Late Model class was, the tracks listed in the previous post for Supers, between 18 to 30. Whenever Magnolia has a show, usually near 30 sign in for a regular $1200 winners deal. Most track pay between $1200 to $1500-to-win for a regular show. However there are dozens upon dozens of $3, $4, $5000-to-win shows all over the place. At least a 150lb break should be given to the 25s' out there. Late Model Mark Green Valley Speedway Announcer 8-) Moulton Speedway Announcer 8-) |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by mudslinger47 on 05/05/13 at 9:32am I'm going to issue a partial apology to those I ragged on for not supporting the sport. I too was dismayed at the turn out at Stockton. I sometimes forget I'm the guy in the right hand seat in the hauler and this travel stuff costs me nothing. (I think Devon was about ready to tie my neck in a knot) The Stockton trip for Pete was probably close to three bills. I do understand the cost of travel, Chet and I fought it for years. All I can ask I guess is plan a head if you can, Stockton race track was worth the tow. |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 05/05/13 at 9:36am mudslinger47 wrote on 05/05/13 at 9:32am:
Just felt the need to quote this so it can never be removed ............ LOL ;) |
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Title: Re: SMS NATS INFO Post by Ruben M on 05/13/13 at 6:15pm There will be Practice on Friday the 24th before the Nationals from 4pm-8pm. Pit Passes will $35 per person. Grand Stands are FREE. |
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