|
Saturday Night Racer
http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Tracks >> SANTA MARIA RACEWAY >> Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1325893846 Message started by Chris Kearns on 01/06/12 at 3:50pm |
|
Title: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Chris Kearns on 01/06/12 at 3:50pm Dirt track racing just got better for two California tracks: Two of California’s premier dirt track facilities have taken another step to improve racing at each track. Over the off season, Bakersfield Speedway and Santa Maria Speedway have met with Electronic Scoring Systems suppliers to see what would be the best option for both track and racer budgets. Promoters Scott Schweitzer and Chris Kearns have chosen MyLaps/AMB Transponder Systems for their respective facilities and are very pleased with what is to come. The two race tracks were amongst a very short list of Dirt Tracks in California not running an Electronic Timing & Scoring system. “I think this is the best move by the both of us to install an electronic scoring system at the tracks. MyLaps/ AMB made it an easy choice for us” remarked Bakersfield Speedway promoter Scott Schweitzer. Santa Maria Speedway promoter Chris Kearns stated “ We share a lot of mutual racers. I am glad Santa Maria Speedway and Bakersfield Speedway have adapted this system together”. Transponders can be purchased through each Speedway for $399 plus tax or rented on a nightly basis for $20 per night. Racers that already own MyLaps/AMB Transponders will be able to use their own at both tracks. For transponder purchase contact: Chris Kearns @ 805-714-8538 or chrisk.usa@gmail.com Scott Schweitzer @ 661-393-3373 or speedway@wildblue.net |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by imracin68j on 01/06/12 at 4:14pm Does anyone know if the RC versions work? http://www.gshobby.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=348_1305&products_id=21578&zenid=eb8d6726c22158ae737d37eb6829e503 |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by sj_valley_dave on 01/06/12 at 4:14pm That is great news Chris...Glad both tracks make the jump to transponders. It is really nice to see your lap times in hot laps, heat races, etc and see where in the event it occurred.. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by 1oldphart on 01/06/12 at 4:27pm rc won't work only 260 series work....paul |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by ninjaforce2 on 01/06/12 at 4:46pm are we gunna be able to get sheets of our lap times then? |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by steph on 01/06/12 at 4:52pm ninjaforce2 wrote on 01/06/12 at 4:46pm:
www.mylaps.com |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by imracin68j on 01/06/12 at 7:20pm 1oldphart wrote on 01/06/12 at 4:27pm:
Do they not have enough juice to send a signal? According to their site the AMBtrans 160 is good to 160Kph or 99.4 MPH and is used often in karts and quarter midgets. A 15 second lap on a 1/3 mile track is an average speed of 80mph. The max height is 2 feet so mounting on the car should be doable at some point on the car. The price of 160 is still pricey but much cheaper than the 260. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=4639 |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Rodney on 01/06/12 at 9:19pm imracin68j wrote on 01/06/12 at 7:20pm:
I don't know the why's or how come's. There was a team parked next to me one night at Irwindale that was new to big cars and used thier Karting unit. Thier results where either all over map or didn't register at all. They stuck the correct unit on and everything was fine. At first we thought maybe it was a height thing, but that didn't seem to matter. I don't think anyone was faster than mid 16's on the big track that night. I heard simular stories from some friends in the northwest. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by 1 Fast hobby on 01/06/12 at 9:37pm Did I read this right? Another 20 bucks a night or 400 up front to race at bako or sms? That is bull sh1t. WTF!!! I don't race to make money, but to add an additional expense and get nothing in return is bs. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by sj_valley_dave on 01/06/12 at 10:32pm You can use it as a chassis tuning aid...It also helps reduce scoring errors and you can see how your set up went as the laps go on during the race. Were you faster toward the beginning or did the track come to you and you can see exactly how far off the pace you are, etc... |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Chad11 on 01/07/12 at 7:45am 1 Fast hobby wrote on 01/06/12 at 9:37pm:
AGREED!!!!! Now I am looking at $65 a night just to get through the gate. It appears this is just another source of income for the tracks. Members don't get a break on transponder rental? Extra added expense for the racers with raceivers and now transponders and no break in membership price. This WILL affect car counts. I have already erased the memorial race in SM off my schedule. Bako is fortunate that they are my home track and most of my racing will be there, but now I'm not going to take vacation days on saturdays i have to work in order to race. I will miss 3-4 races at least throughout the year now. I will be even more inclined to support Victorville on off nights as well. WHAT ABOUT PORTERVILLE OPENING??? What happened with that? |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by 17t_racer on 01/07/12 at 8:02am Chad11 wrote on 01/07/12 at 7:45am:
I Agree with you guys. what about the two day shows like Chad is talking about $40 bucks more! No thanks! |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by SawyerRacing98 on 01/07/12 at 8:49am now i am the budget racer as much as the next guy... now the way i heard how this is going to work is... you rent it for $20 a night... at the end of the year... you have race say 20 times thats $400 and you will get your transponder given to you... so if you race 10 times then thats $200 and you can either buy it or not for the remaining $200. now this was just what i HEARD so i dont know how much truth is behind it but i think that is definitely fair. if that is the case then there is no extra money going into the track owners pocket. i think for all of as bakersfield we would just like to see a scoreboard update and some new alluminum pit stands... that way we feel like our money is going back to the racer.... its like when you pay all these taxes and our city roads are still messed up... it feels nice when you see nice roads and tax dollars at work... just my opinion.... |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by ninjaforce2 on 01/07/12 at 9:25am we had to run this transponder on the pavement, it works fine and it can be used as a tuning tool to some degree, not only do you get your times but you get everyone elses to. Also by having it show you ur laps times it can help you kinda sort out your car from the heavy track to dry track. I like the idea, but we didnt have to rent it a race either, we just had to give up our drivers licence and when the night was done we would have to return it and get it back. But with both the recievers and transponders on board i think we will all enjoy it! |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Chad11 on 01/07/12 at 9:58am If your $20 rent fee goes towards the purchase of a transponder, that would be more fair. It's things like this though ($400 transponder/$100 raceiver) that prevent new racers from getting into the sport. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by imracin68j on 01/07/12 at 10:11am I didn't know they were rent to own, that might help. If it's like hanford though the track rentals come in a large charging unit that charges all at once. So you wouldn't have the charging units needed. If you have to spend 400 bucks, you're better to buy the one that hard wires into your car battery. Then you're not messing with the charging aspect and there is no battery to go dead after a few years. Also, I will assume there will be a well teched spot on the car that these are to be mounted as someone with one mounted near the radiator will have a half car length advantage to someone mounting it in the cockpit. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by SawyerRacing98 on 01/07/12 at 10:53am billy you are correct with this statement... when i ran irwindale part of tech was making sure we all had our transponders in the correct location. we all should have to run them and the midplate (or back of block) we all have a down bar right there for the most part... |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by WESTCOASTDIRT on 01/07/12 at 12:55pm SawyerRacing98 wrote on 01/07/12 at 10:53am:
Don't know if these are the battery driven or the harness type? I would opt for the harness type instead of the battery driven! Only cause the harness type basically requires zero maintenance. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by over4t on 01/07/12 at 1:05pm Yep, it's an added expense for transponders and/or raceceivers but you just have to face it guys. They're here to stay, like it or not. In my opinion you'd be smart to just put it on the plastic and just buy them. If you do buy get the hard wired transponder, put it in and forget it. Our's has been on the car for 3 years with no problems. The chargeable ones don't last as long, cost more and take a long time to charge. If you forget to charge it until you're loading up to go to the track you're screwed. As for where to locate them that's all over the place; late models are generally, like Sawyer says, on the back of the mid-plate, WISSOTA has a different spot, Lakeport Speedway is a few inches from the right front corner, etc. Our 2 regular haunts require them but don't say where. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Joe_Odom11 on 01/07/12 at 3:25pm are they required in the lower classes like american stocks...400 bucks is outragoues for something like that when you are already on a very tight budget and idk if american stocks are going to get paid this year we didnt last year and these expenses are adding up with the raceivers last year and now transponders.may not be racing much this year if thats the case |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by imracin68j on 01/07/12 at 5:20pm Bringing the negativity on here doesn't do anyone any good. The best thing you can do is contact Amb/Mylaps directly and let them know of your new situation and what you think of their rediculously overpriced product. What could possibly be in that thing that would cost 400 dollars? My Xbox 360 whoops the $hite out of the tech on that thing and only cost 200 buck. lol http://www.mylaps.com/index.php/us_eng/Websites/corporate/contact |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Chad11 on 01/07/12 at 8:27pm No, the tracks should not force us to pay for this. Do you think these extra costs are going to help buildthe division you race in? I just cannot understand how Chris and Scott would think this is a justified expense. Raceivers I understand..charging for the use of transponders I don't. Let's look at other tracks that charged for use of transponders in the past. Chow? Merced? Hanford? It ran racers off at those tracks. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Mighty Quinn Racing on 01/07/12 at 9:21pm made up my mind for me! just cant afford to race this year. i really hope it doesnt hurt the tracks turnout. im looking forward to running my sport mod in 2013. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Pearson_79 on 01/07/12 at 9:30pm I'm not happy about this but, Bitching about it wont fix it so I guess it will cost me a 1/3rd more to get in the back gate! I just dont understand why thier so proud to anouce that its going to cost us an aditional $400 bucks to come put on a show for them this year! |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by hughes SS#5 on 01/07/12 at 9:38pm This is not good.Transponders rental was part of the reason we quit running Chow.Did Amb/My laps somehow force Chris and Scott to buy transponder scoring systems?I cant see how this is going to help anything or anybody except Scott and Chris.In this economy,they shouldnt be adding any more expense to the racers.I really hope this is a bad joke. Darrell |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Pearson_79 on 01/07/12 at 9:51pm Well its not April 1st!!! |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by evilracer on 01/07/12 at 10:48pm well i guess i have to find another sponsor to pay for this . might not be able to throw s many shirts and stuff. i think if i can find 3 more sponsors i can afford to buy it and throw shirts ever race. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by WESTCOASTDIRT on 01/07/12 at 10:58pm I honestly think if this speeds up the scoring and line up during the race,it will save the racers money in fuel and lap maintenance on their cars and engines. I don't know how many times during a race yellow I have seen the racer make 15 laps under yellow to get the line up straighten out. Not hammering the scorers, but if this helps them move their scoring faster, then that would help everyone. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by imracin68j on 01/07/12 at 11:28pm I've really never noticed a lap count difference between hanford and bak. It may be more accurate though. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by WESTCOASTDIRT on 01/08/12 at 7:53am imracin68j wrote on 01/07/12 at 11:28pm:
Being we sit in the stands and watch lap after lap as the car go around under yellow and then they have to stop the cars to get them to line up correctly! Never have we sat in Hanford and watch that happen and they never have had to stop the cars on the track under a yellow that I remember. Again, its my opinion that this will be good progress to better racing for all! |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by jselvidge on 01/08/12 at 8:37am The dummy one goes on the engine plate, the real one under the nose! Seriously, welcome to the 21st century. No more full restarts after the first lap was complete because it's impossible to score. No more getting put back out of positions you gained fairly because the scorers missed it. Not knocking hand scorers that's a tough job, I wouldn't want to try it. Now if they would put a pylon in the infield the drivers could see we can sort it out in a hurry and quit screwing around under yellow. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by chassisguy7 on 01/08/12 at 8:44am I like it do to the fact you can go to my laps and look at your results and lap times see how consistant you were in the race. See what laps you were faster than each competitor. I can tell you this Ive seen many times the most consistant driver win over a faster car that has up to a second of a difference between some laps. I bought mine out right the first year Frank Diaz got them at kings and mine has paid for its self many times over due to the fact I dont have to mess with renting them. If you buy one get the hard wired one that you can wire to your on off switch thats way better than the one you have to charge. It can be used as a tool for the racer if he chooses to. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Craig C. on 01/08/12 at 9:08am Electronic timing and scoring has been arond for a LONG time now, and it is the way things will be in the future, so to be upset because your track went to it shows a poor attitude about the sport in my opinion. Yes, it is an added expense. I've been a crew chief for a long time, but now I've started my own program, so I can definitely relate to the added expense and how hard that is, but there are always added expenses. This sport is not cheap. Everytime you turn around you've got $100 here, or $100 there to spend. That sucks, but that's the reality of the situation. To get on here and pregnant dog about what you can or can't afford, or the fact you're going to not race at a track because they require this... well, that track probably isn't going to miss you anyway. Track's need the little guy's in the sport to survive, but most don't want to deal with the headaches of the people who constantly pregnant dog about how they can't afford this or that. If you can't afford it, stay home til you can. No one is forcing you to race. With either my crew chief hat, or my driver's helmet on, I applaud tracks for going to BOTH transponders and raceivers. When Willamette went to transponders a couple years ago, I was stoked. More accuracy on lap times and qualifying, and we can go back and analyze the results later. A definite plus. I have also been a big advocate for them to go to Raceivers, and they are finally requiring them for 2012. Yes, that hurts my pocket book, BUT, if it allows me to avoid a wreck and damage, it will have SAVED me money the first time out. $100 to be safer in my car? Absolutely... that's a no brainer and an easy purchase in my opinion. Now, I don't know if tracks up here do the "rent to own" deal, but they definitely should, at least for the transponders. That aids the tracks more, and if they're going to require it, it shouldn't be at a profit. That is MY OPINION, not a bash, just an observation. I think all tracks should run the transponder deal that way. As for the raceivers... I would put this challenge up to any and all tracks... If you want to go to this system, both for ease for your personel, and to help with driver safety, I would challenge you to search out a sponsor, or save some of that beer money, and purchase this system and the units and PROVIDE them each race night to the drivers FOR FREE. Before I get bashed on that... it is happening at tracks. I got that idea from seeing it happen at Knoxville. You give the track your licsense, get a transponder for the night, and turn it in at the end of the night and get your DL back. I see providing something for safety like that as a true sign to the drivers supporting your track that you are looking out for them and want to keep them coming back week after week. It is the little things like that that go a long way with teams. That is my opinion on the subject. No bashing of tracks or anyone intended, so if you disagree, no worries, and if you're offended, sorry. Craig Cassell |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Chris Kearns on 01/08/12 at 10:06am I can only speak for myself, not Scott. I truly thought that this was an improvement (an expensive one) to the Speedway that would benefit the racers and fans. No MyLaps didnt force me to buy the System. Not sure how that would be possible. Actually the racers forced me. Apparently, some racers can score a race better from their cockpit, than 3 girls in a scoring booth. What I am saying is that I was tired of the B****ing. Do you think I am happy about putting out THOUSANDS of dollars for this? No. But I am not complaining about it. Its part of business. Just like, for the racer, its part of racing. If it puts you over budget for the year, I am sorry. I was hoping announcing this early would help. Bakersfield and Santa Maria were 2 of the last tracks I know of to adapt this system. Not sure why the few people on here complaining are so shocked. It is not a source of income. lol Craig, I dont get beer sales! lol Quinn, do you ever have anything posotive to say on here? EVER. Will any of you ever learn, that all the negativity on here only hurts the sport you supposedly love? At Santa Maria, they will not be required on American Stocks, Mini Dwarfs or Okiebowls |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by evilracer on 01/08/12 at 10:33am where can i order 1 ? i would like to order it tomorrow (monday) i just can not find it in the speedway magazine need some help sap. please |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Joe_Odom11 on 01/08/12 at 10:45am For transponder purchase contact: Chris Kearns @ 805-714-8538 or chrisk.usa@gmail.com Scott Schweitzer @ 661-393-3373 or speedway@wildblue.net |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by sj_valley_dave on 01/08/12 at 10:46am Just Google transponders...There are a lot of places you can buy them...You can get them used also... |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by hogracer3d on 01/08/12 at 11:06am Apparently if you buy used, you have to pay AMB a $40 fee to re register it into your name. And the used ones I've seen, sell for about $300 plus the $40 fee, for $60 more, you can have new one |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by AJ55 on 01/08/12 at 1:05pm Only certain ones work with certain systems, usualy MyLaps systems use the red ones for race cars on there web site not the gocart yellow ones. I would think they would come up with a part no. but to buy one from Mylaps will be the same price as your promoter is selling them for. But buy 10-25 for $400 there is a different price. If used properly Transponders are a great tool, Raceceivers if the track uses them properly can save you the cost of the transponder, if you can miss just one wreck you have most of that money back by calling yellow yellow turn 3 or red red turn 1, think about it. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by sj_valley_dave on 01/08/12 at 1:06pm Interesting Dave. Just did some digging and I see what you mean re: re-registering unit. Strange. I guess it help keeps their new products more viable for sales! LOL |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Perry25 on 01/08/12 at 4:20pm Same thing happens if you buy a used scoring system. It cost about the same to re-register it as a completly new system. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 01/08/12 at 4:34pm i wonder how many officials would work at a race track if they had to pay for their headsets? |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Bodacious22 on 01/08/12 at 4:37pm Don"t bye a used won..Just hope all the loops are done right. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by over4t on 01/08/12 at 5:30pm If you must buy used check with tracks that have a lot of them and rent them out.. Several midwest tracks sell off their 2 or 3 year old ones., about half price. Don't know if the re-registration would apply in that case.Like anything used it's buyer beware and seldom is the cheap way in the long run. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by lwiseracing on 01/08/12 at 5:34pm i dont have the money to buy one but if i cant shell out $20.00 more a race i need to sell my race stuff and take up polishing rocks lol $20.00 more a race wont stop me from racing plus my lap times .com is pretty cool... good move scott and chris o the only thing that sucks for me is i forget every time to take it off my car and the guy at hanford is probable sick of chasing me out the pits to get it back lol |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by mudslinger47 on 01/08/12 at 6:17pm I wonder how many of the folks b!tching about the cost of the transponder have a mega phone with net service and all the whistles and bells. Just courious. ::) ;) Duaner |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 01/08/12 at 6:46pm I'm not all that sure that these things were necessary but progress is progress and it sounds like they may have some value to the racers. Nobody likes to see the cost of racing go up, but that's just the nature of things. Bottom line -- if you can't afford the extra $20 bucks a night or the $400 cost, you might be in over your head, and maybe you need to consider a new hobby. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by PetalumaPits on 01/08/12 at 8:05pm Three things: 1) Congrats on getting into the modern age Chris and Scott. The transponders (in the right hands with people who know how to use the software) absolutely speeds up the show (lineups are given to you pretty much realtime after a yellow comes out, you can personalize it to race to the yellow/go back a lap, etc.), helps fans (by the immediate scoring changes on the scoreboard/laps are always correct)...It's just invaluable behind the scenes. There isn't a "what did you have here. I have something different, but missed this one for some reason."...it's just better. I score and announce at the same time, and I use it as a crutch sometimes, but I wouldn't work without it. 2) For the racers, you can see as soon as it's uploaded your laptimes, opponents best laptimes and how the scoring progressed either behind or in front of you as the laps wore on. 3) For the fans, if you spend $5 and buy the Race Monitor app for your smartphone, if the track is wireless, you can get the IP address of the scoring computer (we will be giving ours out weekly) and follow along with the scoring in the stands. Word to the wise: Make sure those renting transponders get them to you before they leave the track that night. It happens routinely where someone crashes out and goes home early, and a transponder goes out the gate, taking a phone call and a meeting that week to get back to the track before the next week's racing. Also have the scorers pay attention to who is your routine transponder renters and make sure they get the same one week after week. It takes a whole other step out of the weekly data entry out of the equation and makes it easier. If either of you need help with procedures/setup, feel free to get hold of me on another site or here. Ron |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by hughes SS#5 on 01/08/12 at 8:05pm Yes I have all the bells and whistles on my phone and I can afford to buy anything I need for my racing.The racers already spend a lot of money so that they can have fun and put on a show for the fans and the promoters.Its not right to pass this expense soley to the racers.If it makes it better for everybody,then everybody should share the cost.Racecievers,they're the best thing since highbutton shoes.Tim,s statement is right.All of us help pay for their headsets,everytime we pay to get in to the races whether it be the stands or the pits.From what I,ve seen,this is not a fix for the scoring problems.As for needing to know how fast I was going during the race,I can usually tell you how fast I was going when the race is over.If you finished 1st,you were fast,any other position,you were going too slow. Darrell |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Chris Kearns on 01/09/12 at 7:37am TIM_BEWLEY wrote on 01/08/12 at 4:34pm:
My officials have to pay for their own headsets. Just like a carpenter pays for his own hammer! Alright, I made that up. lol To those that thanked us for this large investment to improve our race tracks. Your Welcome. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by hogracer3d on 01/09/12 at 8:11am mudslinger47 wrote on 01/08/12 at 6:17pm:
Lol, but you can't pay a bill, or bid a job with a transponder.... |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Chris Kearns on 01/09/12 at 8:27am hogracer3d wrote on 01/09/12 at 8:11am:
And you cant check your another site on a Transponder either! Oh wait, who's side am I on! |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by KidCrockett21 on 01/09/12 at 10:46am The Positive Thing Is They Will Not Have To Pay Scores to Keep Track Any More, I am Sure they Will put it back in our Purse!!! |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by hogracer3d on 01/09/12 at 11:32am problem is, I think they have to keep the scorers too, just to double check the electronic scoring... |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by dannyracer6 on 01/09/12 at 11:41am Good move you guys. I, too was bummed a bit when the track I raced at required both transponders and raceivers. Just one week of racing and I was hooked on the efficiency of them. Many times saved my car from getting involved in an accidient, and helped me dial my car in to better laptimes. My raceiver cost me 100 bucks at Radio shack + a decent set of ear buds, I rented the transponder each week until I could budget the full cost of the thing, Now I have it and I am glad. Welcome into the 21st century. If you really want to race, you will and can find a way to do it. Every track should have the systems in place. Complaining will not change anything accept make you unhappy. This is the way of the future. Nothing stays as it was even though we liked it like it was. Even Nascar changes, what will the new FI systems do. But the guys dont get on the internet and pregnant dog about it. they just adjust and move on. Sure they have sponsors, but it is still expensive at the PRO level too. The past is past, this is today, we have to move with it, or do something else. It is what it is...Lets Go Racing in 2012! :) |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by imracin68j on 01/09/12 at 1:23pm KidCrockett21 wrote on 01/09/12 at 10:46am:
Into the championship fund more than likely. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 01/09/12 at 4:58pm i will just rent one every time i race. that way i'm not stuck with a $400 transponder seeing how it does not seem like buying a used one is a good thing. the rent to own thing has not been confirmed on here, but a SS racer is kinda screwed because it would take 2 years before it would be paid off as there is only 8 races at each track and i'm sure that is one of the things scott and chris are not working together on. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 01/09/12 at 5:01pm hughes SS#5 wrote on 01/08/12 at 8:05pm:
LOL! perfect |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Chris Kearns on 01/09/12 at 6:05pm KidCrockett21 wrote on 01/09/12 at 10:46am:
Ya. the system runs itself. It comes with a robot. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Chris Kearns on 01/09/12 at 6:10pm I spoke with MyLaps. The $40 is to re-register your info into MyLaps. You dont have to do it. Basically the info of whoever you buy the used unit from will still show up on the MyLaps website if you dont. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by 1 Fast hobby on 01/09/12 at 6:51pm Here is one for ya: take the money that each track makes from the mini dwarfs, since they don't get paid, and pay for the transponders. Mini dwarfs bring in over $2000 a night and pay nothing out. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Chris Kearns on 01/09/12 at 7:55pm You dont have a clue! |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Cal SS All-Star Shootout on 01/09/12 at 8:16pm ;D |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 01/09/12 at 9:19pm Chris Kearns wrote on 01/09/12 at 6:10pm:
so if i buy it from john holmes then that would be the name it would show up as or is it by car #? oh and thanks chris, lol |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by imracin68j on 01/09/12 at 10:47pm Can we get the official mounting location for the device? |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by jrtracing on 01/09/12 at 11:56pm imracin68j wrote on 01/09/12 at 10:47pm:
I have a feeling you might not like where Chris tells you to put yours!! LOL!! |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Ryan D. on 01/10/12 at 7:07am TIM_BEWLEY wrote on 01/09/12 at 9:19pm:
Actually Tim, John Holmes Is on MyLaps he runs the LOORS Off Road series. ;D ;D |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by dirt33 on 01/10/12 at 4:58pm In order to make sure they get their "rented out" transponders back at tracks around here (Texas), they make you leave your drivers license at the pit shack when renting. Mouting location for all classes is no further forward than the front of the steering box. I have mine mounted on the outside of the frame rail (made a small plate out of thin metal), with the front of the box exactly in line with the front of the steering box. We use Westhold transponders, which are about half the cost of the AMB units (Westhold are approx $150 to buy and $10 to rent). Any of them that are bought are hard-wired, whereas the rental units are battery-powered. I have never rented one, I bought one new and wired it in and have never thought about it again. Westhold's website provies all of the timing info, but the track has to upload/send the info. My home track is too lazy to do so, and a "big" feature here is 10-12 cars, so the transponders do us absolutely no good whatsoever. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by imracin68j on 01/10/12 at 5:05pm Since we are dumping 400 bucks in this deal it would be nice to have it out of the elements and crash zone. Somewhere in the cockpit which is closer to the battery and somewhat shielded from things seems like a logical place. It's only good to have it on the nose if other guys are running it in the back. If everyone is running it in a better location, all the better. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by sj_valley_dave on 01/10/12 at 7:14pm They have to have a fairly good unobstructed "view" of the track's loops to work well. The DLM's have to mount it on the mid engine plate. No big deal. If it gets tore up there, you have a lot more to worry about than some transponder! LOL We have never had a problem with where they require us to mount them... |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Rodney on 01/10/12 at 7:30pm sj_valley_dave wrote on 01/10/12 at 7:14pm:
When we first ran one in March of '99 at I'Dale they had us place them behind the rear axle on the right side of the car and thats where placement has stayed since. Same deal, if you kill it there it's the least of your worries. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Pearson_79 on 01/10/12 at 8:09pm Speaking of killing them, what happens when its a rented unit??? |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by imracin68j on 01/10/12 at 8:50pm I've always thrown it in the cockpit with no problems. I've always put it in there because I didn't want to pay for it if something happened. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Rodney on 01/10/12 at 9:08pm Pearson_79 wrote on 01/10/12 at 8:09pm:
I suppose it depends on the track. I know of two units that didn't survive incidents. Both times track management concerned themselves with getting Life-Flight going. The transponders didn't matter. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by sj_valley_dave on 01/10/12 at 9:56pm Was one of those Jeff Russell at the Bullring in Vegas?? They seem to be pretty tough..I really think if you hurt one of them you and the track have a lot more to worry about than the transponder...unless you hang it somewhere that is putting it in harms way I guess... |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Rodney on 01/10/12 at 10:17pm sj_valley_dave wrote on 01/10/12 at 9:56pm:
Casey Deimert at I'Dale and Rex at PIR. Probably a few more I'd rather not remember. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by sj_valley_dave on 01/11/12 at 9:31am Oh ya...Rex Beach at Phoenix on the mile in his Hemi powered super...what a bad deal... |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Chris Kearns on 01/11/12 at 10:40am I will work on finding out prime (safe) location for each division. As far as damaged or lost rentals. Samething that happens if you damage or loose anything else you rent! |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by GW97 on 01/11/12 at 4:18pm One thing Orange show did last year is when they paid cash at the end of the night, if you rented a transponder they withdrew the $$ from your winnings. I dont like added cost to racing, but I agree with this. The transponders and raceceivers should speed up the show and save the racers money in the long run, but the officials MUST enforce the line up or park the car rule! |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by mudslinger47 on 01/11/12 at 6:05pm Of course, you all know, its the racers that cause the issue in the first place, usually by inattention at the pit meeting, not checking the scoring board before you go out and the infamous, if they don't see me I'll get a free position. So quit yer whinin' and pony up. ;D And on the enforcement side, thats Chris's job. Tell them in the pit meeting, you go where your told when your told or you go to the pits. No second chances, guess how quick that problem will be solved. Hanford used to do this about a million yrs ago, everyone hated the pit steward, but they ran the show, you did what they said, when they said or you loaded up. Wasn't all bad. LOL Duane |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by 1oldphart on 01/12/12 at 8:24am MRP has been running transponders for 7 years, chico and placerville longer. while your bitching about the cost to the racers, the cost to the track was $37,000.00 when we started out. then another thousand when the computer puked and we upgraded to windows 7. we went from 3 ladies scoring to 2 ladies and a computer operater scoring. now we have total redundancy. scorers will tell you different but they score cars in 3&4 passes made at the line are seldom caught unless with the system. adding transponders gives you a whole new world of choices, batch qualifying, qualifying during hot laps, fast dash for cash events. these speed up the show and put on fewer laps on the track giving a better track longer into the night. we now rent only 7 or 8 transponders a night cause everbody owns their own. we have live wireless internet feed to my laps so we have alot of racers reviewing their and competitors times on my laps between events. adding a couple more loops gets you segment scoring that tells you if your getting beat down the straights or in the corners. All the new score boards or pylons are set up to wirelessly update themselves from my laps. welcome to this century....paul |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by mudslinger47 on 01/12/12 at 8:27am ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^GREAT POST^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Racers, and I was one, rarely see the whole picture. Duane |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by sj_valley_dave on 01/12/12 at 12:20pm Great post Paul...I really like the idea of multiple loops so you can see where you need to really work on the car...I know what you mean about p[asses at the line...If we didn't have a video one night of passing for position between turn 4 and line we were not going to get the spot till we showed them on video the pass...This will help everyone in the long run...!! IMO |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by bluebyu on 01/13/12 at 8:15am I remember one guy had his on his front bumper but now they tell us to put it on the A post near the frame rail. Paul, cant wait to bring the Late model up for a few laps. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by 1oldphart on 01/13/12 at 2:54pm march 23 taxicab open show, limited lates, super stocks and pit lice (dwarf Cars)....paul |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by 1oldphart on 01/13/12 at 2:56pm March 23 Taxicab open, limited lates, superstocks, pit lice (dwarf Cars) |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by mudslinger47 on 01/13/12 at 5:03pm Pit lice, LOL crackin up!!! Duane ;D |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Chris Kearns on 01/17/12 at 11:45am I will have rechargeable Transponders for sale at banquet. $399 out the door. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by sj_valley_dave on 01/17/12 at 12:16pm Chris, do you have any of the type that you wire into the cars electrical system? If so, how much are they? |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 01/22/12 at 10:09am http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1302418730 The brain trust that I hang with think this scoring issue will be resolved with the new electronics. Next question; is there a edit key?? |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by Wally_Stewart on 01/22/12 at 10:27am Remember transponders can't see the yellow flags and flat tires, just a thought. |
|
Title: Re: Bakersfield/Santa Maria Speedway install Electronic scoring systems Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 01/22/12 at 11:25am Correct on that Wally; I was referring to the lap car that passes the broke car on the last lap. |
|
Saturday Night Racer » Powered by YaBB 2.2.3! YaBB © 2000-2008. All Rights Reserved. |