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Message started by AaronStewart on 04/09/11 at 11:58pm

Title: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by AaronStewart on 04/09/11 at 11:58pm

Late Models (14 cars)

A Main
1. #7 Mike Johnson
2. #32B Clay Daly
3. #29 Andy Obertello
4. #27 Nick Bartels
5. #5k Mike Kirby
6. #22 Jason Selvidge
7. #1p Brad Pounds
8. #10n Robert Sanders
9. #77 Bill Bartels
10. #7c Chris Barnett
11. #75 Tommy Malcolm
12. #12 Ron Bartels
13. #5x Dino Napier
14. #53 David Spears

Hobby Stocks (33 cars)

A Main
1. #17t Bryan Terry
2. #2x Jimmy Irwin
3. #44 Rick Childress Sr
4. #26 Steven Johnson
5. #87 Lloyd Wren Jr
6. #4 Bobby Quinton
7. #04 Austin Manzella
8. #30 Geoff Menees
9. #78 Jacob Shepherd
10. #72 Kevin Irwin
11. #33R Nick Sylvester
12. #45 David Childress
13. #2z Garth Zander
14. #37 Aaron Stewart
15. #24 Tyler Johnson
16. #38 Richie McGowan
17. #14y Antony Sly
18. #3z Garrett Zander
19. #3 Jarod Schweitzer
20. #2t Taylor Paddock
21. #33 Robert Swearengin
22. #23 Dylan Hagar

B Main 1
1. #14y Antony Sly
2. #3z Garrett Zander
3. #2z Garth Zander
4. #04 Austin Manzella
5. #37 Aaron Stewart
6. #10 Keith Blevins
7. #7x Ron Schmidt
8. #7k John Bedingfield
9. #6 Noah Allen
10. #73 Eric McGough
DNS #21 Eric Cimental

B Main 2
1. #33R Nick Sylvester
2. #2x Jimmy Irwin
3. #4 Bobby Quinton
4. #30 Geoff Menees
5. #78 Jacob Shepherd
6. #9j Jordan Hagar
7. #71 Chris Cross
8. #18x Michael Nicks
9. #18 Aaron Bruce
10. #79 Cody Chambers

Super Streets (8 cars)

A Main
1. #04 Tim Randolph
2. #14 Lonnie Welch
3. #68j Billy Simkins
4. #54 Brady Bell
5. #26 Ed Elliott
6. #4 Mike Haines
7. #23 Lee Jensen
8. #18 Kasey Collier

American Stocks (24 cars)

A Main
1. #1 Scott Cason
2. #29B Joe Baker
3. #17 Traci Childress
4. #87jr Jake Vermeer
5. #29 Alex Tillema
6. #15D Dakota Brown
7. #24 Teena Childress
8. #33t Tristan Thompson
9. #23 Tim Martin
10. #79 Dale Frye Sr
11. #7 David Howell
12. #2 Rich Tillema
13. #12H Brent Hosfeldt
14. #97 Dale Frye Jr
15. #40 Nick Spainhoward
16. #78 Justin Tuey
17. #55 Matthew Lewis
18. #4RR Mike Bennett
19. #n2 Mark Irwin
20. #3 Kimee Earnshaw
21. #22 Johnny Wood
22. #16 Rick Childress Jr
DNS #44 Brian Childress
DNS #4B Eric Brust

NMRA TQ Midgets (11 cars)

A Main
1. #38 Chuck West
2. #59 Dakota Schweitzer
3. #6 Brian Baker
4. #18 Scott Dobson
5. #36 West Evans
6. #21 Anthony Lopicollo
7. #87 Ron Ahrendt
8. #5 Bruce Hiroshima
9. #40 Chris Thomas
10. #55 Dave Lambert
11. #17

Okiebowl Hard Tops (14 cars)

A Main
1. #29 Matt McCaslin
2. #8 Marc McCaslin
3. #99A Tyler Weeks
4. #36 Steve Sorenson
5. #100 Josh Yadon
6. #3 Justin Yadon
7. #14 Daniel Grimm
8. #74 Bo Duke
9. #James Bradburn
10. #84 Nick Spainhoward
11. #126 Brad Pescheck
12. #51 Jeff Gibbons
13. #76 Alan Letenin
14. #34 Scott Hogstad

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by Johnson26 on 04/10/11 at 9:26am

Question:
How does the 24 of Tyler go down a lap, when he brought out the first yellow for a flat tire. He did not go a lap down when they changed it. Second of all David Childress goes 3 laps down and finished 12 three spots in front of Tyler and he did not go a lap down. something is going wrong here? >:(

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by AaronStewart on 04/10/11 at 9:50am

If a driver purposely brings out a yellow, they are deducted a lap.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by yourholeismygoal on 04/10/11 at 9:55am

Ok what if someone gives someone else a flat tire. And a yellow comes out... The person that gets a flat tire gets penalized a lap down? And the other person that gave the flat tire stays on lead lap? How does that make sense???

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by AaronStewart on 04/10/11 at 10:00am

You get penalized if you get a flat, willingly stop on the track, and then take off again as soon as the yellow come out. If you have a flat you're supposed to exit the track and get it changed, like the 3z did.

As for David Childress, I dont know when you think he lost any laps, because I know he broke for the one yellow, but he passed me on the very next restart and then was out there the whole rest of the race--

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by yourholeismygoal on 04/10/11 at 10:16am

But if you don't cause a yellow and you have to go and get a flat tire repaired you get penalized? Used to be if a yellow came out, caused by you or not for a flat tire, they gave you two laps to get it fixed and if you did you started in the back of the pack on the lead lap. Idk I guess this isn't anything to be talked to you about, your the points guy not a track offical or the track owner. I'll take it up with one of them.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by AaronStewart on 04/10/11 at 10:20am

Well, they've always tried to discourage causing yellows on purpose, because it holds up the show, and when you have 6 divisions and a long american stock race, time is an issue-- they would not give the 2 extra laps if you brought out the yellow on purpose, but a lot of teams had enough crew guys where they could get the tire fixed before the lineup was fixed, so they had to come up with a new way to discourage on purposely bringing out the yellow.

If you have a flat, exit the track, do not stop on the track. That's what they're trying to encourage.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by Zander3z on 04/10/11 at 4:48pm

This is why racing at the Bakersfield Speedway has become so frustrating. I did exactly what Chad Jeffries said to do in the drivers meeting. Pull off if you get a flat tire because if you stop for a yellow you will be docked one lap. Well I pulled off causing no caution and I get the short end of the stick. When I came back on the track it was yellow and I restarted at the tail end of the pack, which is where I belonged. I worked hard to pass a lot of cars for no reason because you guys have me scored multiple laps down. In the future I’ll cause a caution and take the one lap penalty at least I’m racing with a few guys or I’ll just park it because there’s no need to race and take the chance of tearing up my stuff. Why was I scored behind the 14y when he blew up with multiple laps left in the race and I was still on the track and a few other cars that pulled off before the race was over?

So in a recap if I get a flat tire I’m better off causing a caution and taking the one lap penalty, and if I follow the rules I’m better off parking my car because there’s nothing to race for. It’s time we start racing with transponders then there’s no human error. If R/C cars can race with transponders for 20 years I think we can too.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by hobby14y on 04/10/11 at 9:28pm

p.s i didnt blow up lol. my tanny blew hahahhaah

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by Zander3z on 04/10/11 at 9:45pm

Good news thats less expensive. All I saw was a puff of smoke and fire.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by hobby14y on 04/10/11 at 9:53pm

yea u no idk man, i think my rear end lockd up and twisted my drive line and my tranny exploded, it came through the cab. im still trying to think how the rear end and the tranny blew at the same time

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by AaronStewart on 04/10/11 at 10:39pm

Oh I was afraid the engine blew in response to the driveline coming out-- glad to hear the engine is okay.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by hobby14y on 04/10/11 at 10:48pm

well so far the engine looks good, my driver said he killd it after the big bang. the force knocked off my belts. so now i have to start pulling parts off and seeing what i need, im sure i need a new powerglide,gears,drive line brake line.. i hope that motor is ok because its very fast

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by Geoff30 on 04/11/11 at 6:23am

We were coming to take the white flag when 14y broke. So he couldn't be scored more then two laps down. Garrett, you lost three possibly four laps when you pulled off with a flat. I don't know if 38 came back out after bringing out a yellow for his flat RR but if he did then he would only be a lap down. I'm just saying I don't see where there is a scoring problem.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by AaronStewart on 04/11/11 at 10:37am

The 38 did come back out, finished in the back across the line.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by hobby14y on 04/11/11 at 9:42pm

i have no problem with the scoring, i havnt finish a main yet hahahalol. just having bad luck lol

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by Zander3z on 04/11/11 at 10:50pm

That’s what frustrates me how does the person who follows the track stewards rule get the short end of the stick? Causing a caution for a flat gets you a one lap penalty and going to get a flat during green gets -3 to -4 laps. The PENALTY should be greater than the guy who goes and gets his tire changed under green that’s my point.

When I raced American Stocks I took the white flag in 3rd spot on the lead lap, I broke in turn two so I didn’t cross the finish line and I was scored behind all the cars that took the checkered flag didn’t matter how many laps they were down. Which I thought was crap I should have been scored last car on lead lap. I asked then one of the scoring officials and he told me all cars at the checkered were scored in front of all who didn’t cross the checkers. So I was going off of that info obviously the rules have changed. Oh well moving on and causing cautions from now on screw going in under green.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by AaronStewart on 04/12/11 at 9:52am

If a car breaks on the last lap-- All the lead lap cars will be first-- then we count back the laps for lapped cars-- so if there are 3 lapped cars (with 19 laps) and then one car who broke on the last lap (with 19 laps), we always credit the guys who went further in the race-- so if those 3 lapped cars finished, they technically went further in the race since they were running on the 20th lap, so the 3 lapped cars would go ahead of the car that DNF'd on the last lap. Any cars 2 laps down or more would go behind the car that broke on the last lap since they would have completed less total laps.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by Zander3z on 04/12/11 at 10:33am

This is why we need transponders. The lapped car un lapped them selve they never passed the lead lap car that broke on the last lap. The lead lap car never went a lap down there for they should be last car on lead lap. Its simple math really it is.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by keepnscore on 04/12/11 at 11:10am

Zander3z wrote on 04/11/11 at 10:50pm:

That’s what frustrates me how does the person who follows the track stewards rule get the short end of the stick? Causing a caution for a flat gets you a one lap penalty and going to get a flat during green gets -3 to -4 laps. The PENALTY should be greater than the guy who goes and gets his tire changed under green that’s my point.

When I raced American Stocks I took the white flag in 3rd spot on the lead lap, I broke in turn two so I didn’t cross the finish line and I was scored behind all the cars that took the checkered flag didn’t matter how many laps they were down. Which I thought was crap I should have been scored last car on lead lap. I asked then one of the scoring officials and he told me all cars at the checkered were scored in front of all who didn’t cross the checkers. So I was going off of that info obviously the rules have changed. Oh well moving on and causing cautions from now on screw going in under green.

Read what I bolded that you wrote.

You don't cross the line by you own power you were not in that lap.

You are a lap down. If there were 6 other cars that were a lap down in that lap they would of finished before you, because they went further in the race.

I don't understand why all of you guys come on here bitching and moaning and I sit down in the pits for 3 freaking hours, but you guys never come down there to ask any questions.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by keepnscore on 04/12/11 at 11:25am

Zander3z wrote on 04/12/11 at 10:33am:

This is why we need transponders. The lapped car un lapped them selve they never passed the lead lap car that broke on the last lap. The lead lap car never went a lap down there for they should be last car on lead lap. Its simple math really it is.

Yes, it really is simple math, lets see there is 20 laps in a race, a car crosses the start/finish line by his OWN power 19 times. That means he is minus 1 lap. Please correct me if I am wrong.

You know usually I don't engage in arguments like this, I let Aaron do it. But of all the years of scoring every once in a while one you you guys just hit a nerve.

If you would like me to educate you on how scoring works, please see me at the next hobby stock race. Better yet, I can bring our score sheet and let you take a look at them.

If and when the speedway ever goes to transponders, then you guys will complain about how they are incorrect to, and how expensive it is to rent them.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by AaronStewart on 04/12/11 at 12:17pm

When do I ever argue with people?

I like to think of my posts as casual explanations.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by Zander3z on 04/12/11 at 6:49pm

Aaron, I’m not sure I didn’t know that we were arguing. Geoff asked me in a previous message why I thought there was a scoring issue? So I was explaining to him my understanding of the scoring rule. Again I was wrong in my interpatation of the rule. I don’t agree with the rule and I don’t understand it as I don’t understand how the one lap penalty (blessing) rule for causing a yellow for a flat is an actual penalty. But oh well NOW THAT I KNOW BOTH RULES WE CAN MOVE ON.

Keepnscore, I never meant to insult you. Like I said in one of my last post on another thread we were talking on I was cool with the explenation that Wally gave so I have moved on its all good. Not everyone on here is trying to b!tch and complain, some of us don’t know everyone so we can’t call them and ask questions, so this is a place for us to come on hear and ask questions. Thanks for the explanations it shows that you care and take your job serious, so thanks.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by woodracing35 on 04/12/11 at 11:45pm

a couple years ago i thought i had finished higher in the race then i thought i did but after the races i found scorekeeper and she showed me the scoring sheets and explained to me what happend...so she will show you and explain to you whats on her sheets all you have to do is ask...

aaron your always arguing with people ive seen you...lmao...jk

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by keepnscore on 04/13/11 at 7:59am

Zander3z wrote on 04/12/11 at 6:49pm:

Aaron, I’m not sure I didn’t know that we were arguing. Geoff asked me in a previous message why I thought there was a scoring issue? So I was explaining to him my understanding of the scoring rule. Again I was wrong in my interpatation of the rule. I don’t agree with the rule and I don’t understand it as I don’t understand how the one lap penalty (blessing) rule for causing a yellow for a flat is an actual penalty. But oh well NOW THAT I KNOW BOTH RULES WE CAN MOVE ON.

Keepnscore, I never meant to insult you. Like I said in one of my last post on another thread we were talking on I was cool with the explenation that Wally gave so I have moved on its all good. Not everyone on here is trying to b!tch and complain, some of us don’t know everyone so we can’t call them and ask questions, so this is a place for us to come on hear and ask questions. Thanks for the explanations it shows that you care and take your job serious, so thanks.

There are not many people at the track that have my cell number, and if they do they are sworn to not give it out, just for this reason, (not pointed at you).

Most generally if anyone has a question they usually message me on another site (yvonne jennings), I don't mind answering ANY questions.

It is better to show you drivers how it is done, so there is less doubt in what we do. Can I say I have never made a mistake, heck no, when I do make a mistake, I admit to it.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by fromthegrandstands on 04/13/11 at 10:22am

...and even in R/C Cars w/ transponders and a scoring program...there are occasional mistakes and missed laps that have to be interpreted by the score sheet and corrected.

(Also in MOST r/c racing there are NO YELLOW flags to account for - we RACE through crashes - and if you get a FLAT TIRE - you just get RUN OVER and removed from the track)

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by NAILIT on 04/14/11 at 6:14am

Zander3z wrote on 04/10/11 at 4:48pm:

Sounds like you pulled off with a flat under Green, the remaining cars completed another lap while you were changing a tire. then for some reason the track went yellow, you came back on the track and picked up the tail end for the restart.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by oldman98 on 04/14/11 at 7:23am

wow...now i'm confused...if i read the lap post correctly...cars that do not finish on the lead lap (1 down) are scored ahead of a car that took the white flag and dnf...how can that be...the car that took the white flag went further than the cars that finished a lap down...

is this correct...

kelly sawyer

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by keepnscore on 04/14/11 at 8:53am

oldman98 wrote on 04/14/11 at 7:23am:

Kelly,

I think your missing who went further in the race.

Example:
A car goes one lap down and finishes the race (crosses the finish line).

A lead lap car takes the white but does not cross the finish line. That means he did not complete that lap, he is a lap down.

So you have a car that is a lap down and finishes the race, and a car that is a lap down that does not finish the race, who goes first?

The guy that was a lap down and finished, he went FURTHER in the race.

(mind you when I say a lap down I am talking about 1 lap down not multiple)

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by kartracer8 on 04/14/11 at 9:02am

heres just an example of what i think of the rule and how i put the rule in to effect at my races.
20 lap race
Car A is in a wreck on lap 12 and goes a lap down in the pits.
Car B is in a wreck on lap 20 in turns 1&2 and doestn take checkered. If he takes the white flag its impossible to go a lap down bc he made it to 1&2 and the race was checkered leader cant lap a car on white flag lap in 1&2. In my opinion if you take the white flag and dont finish a race you are gonnna be scored the last car on the lead lap.. so basically what you have is
Car A 19 laps completed
Car B 19 1/4 laps completed last car on lead lap bc he didnt take checkers.

Also who completed 19 laps first car a or car b
Car a completed 19 laps on the 20th lap
Car b completed 19 laps on the 19th lap
who completed 19 laps first would be who was scored first im just tryin to help a little ...

Title: Glad I'm not a short track scorekeeper! :)
Post by fromthegrandstands on 04/14/11 at 9:40am

....and all of the assumptions have to take into consideration the cars that get lapped during the race w/o pulling OFF the track.

So... we'll say from the 9th place car on back gets lapped by the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place cars by lap 10 of a 20 lap race - just in front of the leader the 7th and 8th place cars bump and the 7th place car gets his tire cut, and he stops and draws the yellow.

The leader goes by when the 7th place car parks next to the wall, and he also gets around the NEW 7th place car who caused the flat tire just before the caution comes out, but before the Start/Finish line.

The guy with the flat drives off to the pits and gets his tire replaced during the caution...and re-enters the track before the drop of the green.

HOW many laps down is he, and in what place is he in....

if I read the interpretation of the rule correctly since the yellow came out before the leader completed a lap after passing the car w/ the flat tire - that lap would be reverted back and the ontrack position not gained, so the car w/ a flat tire would enter the track ONE LAP down w/ the "Causing a Yellow" penalty (even though he was only feet from going down w/o a penalty) and in all regards should be scored as a minimum of 2 laps down at that point?

...and you are going know and be able to record all this with 19 other cars on the track bumping, banging, etc...

WANT TO BE A SCORE KEEPER? uh - NO THANK YOU!

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by oldman98 on 04/14/11 at 10:05am

keepnscore wrote on 04/14/11 at 8:53am:

oldman98 wrote on 04/14/11 at 7:23am:

how can a car that took the checkered flag 1 lap down have gone further than a car that took the white flag and lets say finished in turn 3 from what ever happened...that car ran 19 and 3/4's of a lap went further than the car that went 19 laps and took checkered flag...car that ran 19 3/4's of a lap should finish in front of car that only ran 19 laps...i don't understand how one would put them at the end of the cars that only went 19 laps...

i know that i'm old but not that old to remember how math works...lol...

19 3/4's is more than 19...am i right...

kelly

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by keepnscore on 04/14/11 at 10:43am

Is 19 and 3/4 crossing the finish line?

Are we suppose to score by the 1/8, the 1/4, the 1/2, or the 3/4? Come on get serious.

To be in a lap you have to complete the lap.

This is my last post on this.

The horse is dead, I am done, you got questions see me at the track.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by fromthegrandstands on 04/14/11 at 10:48am

It's been a long time since I've seen a score sheet from the speedway, but if I remember correctly - the only place that matters is THE Start / Finish Line - so if two cars only finish 19 of 20 laps - the one who COMPLETED his 19th lap first gets that position.

if I'm not mistaken - the car numbers are written down in order across the stripe - then counted to see how many completed laps were scored

You would then have to interpret that car A car got his 19th lap before car B based on which one was entered on the sheet LAST.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by kartracer8 on 04/14/11 at 10:59am

fromthegrandstands wrote on 04/14/11 at 10:48am:

exactly what i said who ever completes the 19 laps first and so on is who is scored where

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by oldman98 on 04/14/11 at 12:37pm

keepnscore wrote on 04/14/11 at 10:43am:

Is 19 and 3/4 crossing the finish line?

Are we suppose to score by the 1/8, the 1/4, the 1/2, or the 3/4? Come on get serious.

"To be in a lap you have to complete the lap"...

This is my last post on this.

The horse is dead, I am done, you got questions see me at the track.

the horse was just playing dead...he's up and running so speak up...

why should i see u at the track...this should be looked at now...not later...when your at the track...you are to busy to sit down and talk about this...to many things running thru your head about what needs to be done...you thinking that i don't want to listen to this guys s--t...what the he'll does he know...i'm the scorekeeper...not him...does he think he can do a better job than me...then do it...this is what you would be thinking...i don't want your job...its not easy...i'm not trying to tear you up either...but please listen to reason...

who finished lap 19 first...this should be your first question...being the car that didn't finish the race finished lap 19 before the car that only completed 19 laps because he was slow...should be placed in front of the car that only completed 19 laps...

a race is 20 laps...the checkered flag is waved to the car that finishes 20 laps first...i hope we agree to this...then the rest of the cars are scored as they cross the finish line...do we agree...we count lets say 10 cars finished 20 laps...the next car to finish lap 19 should be placed in 11th place...do we agree...being car #1 finshed lap 19 before car #2...car #1 should be scored as 11th and next car on 19 should be placed as 12th...neither car finshed lap 20...this is how they should be scored...

i never said that u should score a race by 3/4 or 1/2 or 1/4...i was making a point of why the car that went further should be placed in front of the other...stupid me to think this way...i'm such an a$$hole...all i was doing is using numbers to make a point...

by the way...the car that finished a lap down didn't make the completed amount of laps that the winner did...thus he didn't finish race either...

"To be in a lap you have to complete the lap." keepnscore...are you sure you want to use this sentence...both cars completed this lap...who completed this lap first...the one that broke...this is why he should be scored in front of the other cars that only completed 19 laps...19 3/4 is more than 19...

here is a place to check...nascar.com...find a race that finished under yellow...a car crashed on the last lap...he was on the lead lap...he did not finish the last lap...does this mean that all the cars one lap down finshed in front of him since they finished the race on the same lap...no...same thing as your talking about...the winner still went the full distance...maybe this helps...

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by jimbob37 on 04/14/11 at 4:14pm

Wow, Bako is truly a special place. I have never seen this scoring rule applied anywhere. Whether it be Merced, Santa Maria, Madera, Stockton, Mesa Marin, Antioch, Tulare, Hanford, the ol' Nascar Southwest Tour, Winston West Series, etc. In every instance where a car takes the white flag on the lead lap and does not finish the race due to a wreck, mechanical, etc., that car was scored at the end of the lead lap and in front of all cars 1 lap down.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by fromthegrandstands on 04/14/11 at 4:43pm

..the biggest difference w/ NASCAR's current scoring positions is they use TRANSPONDERS and multiple loops - so they can and do break the track into segments (Which some consider to be BS because the only place that should count is AT THE Start/Finish Line where a lap is "OFFICIAL" ) But - on the same note - a car legitimately went further than another, and it CAN be shown by multiple scoring loops....

There are also systems that can use GPS Tracking and place cars in places based on time - which will probably be the SCORING SYSTEM of the Future at some point....cause you'll be able to show on a computer screen every move that car made - from track to pits, and when.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by jimbob37 on 04/14/11 at 5:30pm

Even without transponders and electronic scoring, I have never seen a car on the lead lap take the white and be placed behind the cars that took the white one lap down. No matter how you look at, if a driver on the lead lap takes the white, there is no way that he can be passed by a driver one lap down.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by oldman98 on 04/22/11 at 1:15pm

keepnscore...just wondering if this is still an issue...just trying to avoid a problem...

kelly sawyer

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by oldman98 on 04/22/11 at 1:42pm

AStewart37 wrote on 04/12/11 at 9:52am:

stewart...how did the 3 lapped cars technically run on the 20th lap when the race was over when they took the checkered flag...they completed 19 laps...they never ran on the 20th lap...he explained that he took the white flag with the leaders and broke...never finishing lap 20...the 3 lap cars never started the 20th lap cause the race was over...

if the leader of a race takes the white flag 1st and happens to break and no yellow comes out and the race is checkered...lets say 4 cars finish the 20 laps...8 cars only finished 19 laps...where would the guy that took the white flag leading the race end up...

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by jimbob37 on 04/22/11 at 1:48pm

Ooh, Ooh....I know, I know!!

The guy who broke after taking the white as the leader and broke should be in 5th in the final results.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by AaronStewart on 04/23/11 at 11:06pm

The lapped cars completed the 20th lap of the race, the car that broke did not complete the last lap-- they both end up finishing 19 laps, and the cars that completed the last lap went further in the race. We don't count it by quarter laps and who started the lap first. it's who finished the laps and who went further in the event.

That's how Bakersfield Speedway has done it for over a decade.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by jimbob37 on 04/23/11 at 11:53pm

No matter how one looks at it, the cars who take the white flag while running on the lead lap go farther in the race than the cars that take the white one lap down. There is no way a lapped car can over take a car on the lead lap after taking the white flag. This is physically impossible.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by oldman98 on 04/24/11 at 2:35am

AStewart37 wrote on 04/23/11 at 11:06pm:

aaron...just answer the question please...what place does the car finish...that all i want to know...very simple question...at least i thought so...i have a hard time with this new math...

kelly sawyer

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by AaronStewart on 04/24/11 at 8:40am

I didn't see any question marks so I didnt know you were asking a question.

If a lead lap car breaks on the last lap, regardless of where they were running, they ran 19 laps, with their last completed lap being 19. If there are lapped cars, they also ran 19 laps, with their last completed lap being 20. The cars that completed the final lap of the race get credited first.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by Mighty Quinn Racing on 04/24/11 at 9:02am

i believe thats the wrong way to do that.
it should be whoever got to 19 laps first gets counted first.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by Chad11 on 04/24/11 at 9:14am

AStewart37 wrote on 04/23/11 at 11:06pm:

They could have been doing it that way for 100 years...that doesn't make it right. Kelly is correct and I don't see how you could possibly argue against him. It is really simple to change the way you score this situation and do it right moving forward.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by jimbob37 on 04/24/11 at 11:54am

AStewart37 wrote on 04/24/11 at 8:40am:

So, it doesn't matter that the lead lap car completed 19 laps before the cars one lap down? And still, the lapped cars don't pass the car that broke and yet are given a position in front of him. In a nut shell, you are essentially penalizing the lead lap car one lap for breaking down. Nice.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by oldman98 on 04/26/11 at 10:15am

AStewart37 wrote on 04/24/11 at 8:40am:

i hope i'm not the only one confused by this statement...i don't understand how they ran 19 laps and they completed the 20th lap at the same time...does the track give them an extra lap...they either ran 19 laps or 20 laps...

please explain..."*V#@****:;??!!!!!,.<>"...lol

kelly sawyer

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by bakoracer on 04/26/11 at 2:21pm

WOW WOW WOW I don't like getting on here BUT I have to give my 2 cents worth on this won Aaron if you really think that is the right way you score a race you need to find out from all the other Dirt tracks the way you should be scoring these race's i've been racing at the speedway for 35 years and never in all my years have I seen or heard of something so very wrong on the score keepers thoughts any time a car is running on the lead lap and takes the white flag and breaks, runs out of gas, or what ever, the cars that are a lap down always finish behind the cars that are on the lead lap and take the white flag. Scott Pounds

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by BakoResults on 04/26/11 at 5:55pm

I NEVER SAID IT WAS RIGHT OR WRONG.

I simply answered the question of how Bakersfield does it.

You people need to stop bitching at someone who does the courtesy of posting results each week and trying to answer questions as to why something is as it is, or how the system works.

I DONT crappity smackING MAKE THE RULES AND YOU PEOPLE NEED TO STOP BITCHING AT ME FOR TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU.

I will no longer answer ANY questions as to WHY or HOW a result is as it is. If you cant figure it out for yourselves, you'll havta wait till you can ask the scorekeepers the next time you show up to a race.

You're all on your own now.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by 18racr on 04/27/11 at 6:22am

I guess if you ask WHY or HOW or question the thought process of something its automatically labeled as bitching now,, I always thought it was a question, NOT bitching,, but I guess thats todays world we live in,

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by bakoracer on 04/27/11 at 10:10am

YA, Aaron

thats just the reply I though you would come back with if you don't have any thing to do with the score keeping at the speedway and if you don't no the right way of keeping score than you should keep you remarks to you self, I think that you didn't under stand how the right way should of been scored all along or you would of spoke up a long time ago IF ITS WRONG THAN ITS WRONG and it needs to be changed so if the head score keeper or Scott S. needs to get INVOVED than so be it, but for you to come on here and say your backing out of this because of every one bitching is pretty LAME, when you where the one saying thats how Bakersfield dose it, every one is just telling you its wrong, the right thing to do is stand up and agree with every one and say we need to change how its done, and for you tell us YOU NEVER SAID IT WAS RIGHT OR WRONG and all you where doing was answering a Question on how they have been scoring these race's, if its wrong than lets do what ever we need to to get it RIGHT. If your a true racer than stand for whats right,

THANKS. Scott Pounds

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by BakoResults on 04/27/11 at 12:37pm

I wasn't upset by the complaining of the rule until everyone started focusing their complaints directly at me as if I was the only who either implanted the rule or enforced the rule. All I did was say how the rule was done.

You guys shot the messenger and then kicked the corpse.

I'm done in the conversation because I'm the only person on here who has to be on both sides. I've got to work with the officials and score keepers half the races and the other half race and pit with all the racers. In issues like these you can't be on both sides and it's clearly better if I just not participate in them so that I don't risk getting one side or the other verbally attacking me.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 04/27/11 at 8:07pm

The problem is the mechanics of the score sheet. If you have seen how it works; it is based on cars crossing the s/f line. The last lap just needs to be hand corrected.
Hopefully IMCA dose'nt get involved.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by oldman98 on 04/28/11 at 11:51am

bakoboss will make a correction about this...i'm hoping he does...i believe that the scorekeepers, if they have read the tread, understand what we have been trying to get them to understand...it is pretty black and white...someone has taught them what they understand was how to do the finishing order...changes are sometime hard to accept when so many people are bashing them...there words...not mine...dave said it best...hopefully imca doesn't get involved...i'm just trying to prevent a problem if it happens to be us...

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by Chad_E._Jeffreys on 05/04/11 at 11:53pm

It's not a bad thing if IMCA get's involved, we're not going to get in any hot water. We are not affraid to answer questens either, but after a while you have to understand it is a waste of time and we have to agree to disagree. Also, as a member signed in at Bakersfield Speedway as well as any other track you should realize we have Reserved the right to make the final decision, and you as a member have agreed to that when you signed. With that said as far as I'm concerned we are beating a dead horse. Chad

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by oldman98 on 05/10/11 at 7:45am

Chad_E._Jeffreys wrote on 05/04/11 at 11:53pm:

we're not going to get in any hot water...who said u would

we have Reserved the right to make the final decision, and you as a member have agreed to that when you signed...so u can do what ever u want...nice...right or wrong...your right...

With that said as far as I'm concerned we are beating a dead horse...you got the wrong horse...i'm riding the one that i'm concerned with...all who have spoke up on this subject are in agreement with "the track is wrong"...so were all the dumb ones...i should of known...

i am asking for the track to sit down and discuss this some evening with me and anyone else that would like to be there...i don't want it on some saturday afternoon when racing is going on...give us date and time...have the score keepers there also...lets right a wrong...we don't need this meeting if the track would just fix the problem...ask don low (sp) to join us...i understand he was the one that laid this out...

kelly sawyer

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by imracin68j on 05/10/11 at 5:00pm

Scoring question, not really related:

Lets say a driver gets put down 2 spots on a yellow for what ever reason (Gets put back to 3rd.) The cars take the green and resume. On the next lap the second place car spins out. Does the person who was originally put back to third move up to the 2nd place position or does the car that was 4th get to move to 2nd?

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by jimbob37 on 05/10/11 at 7:44pm

imracin68j wrote on 05/10/11 at 5:00pm:

I would think that since the green came out and racing resumed, the driver who was put back to third would then move up to second. If not, isn't it like being penalized twice?

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by imracin68j on 05/11/11 at 8:03am

I think it seems like your being penalized twice.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 05/12/11 at 9:33pm

Bring the score sheets.

Title: Re: Bakersfield Speedway 4/9 Results
Post by TURBO98 on 05/15/11 at 9:03am

maybe you should just give the guy that didn't finish the 19th lap a dnf ;)