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http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Tracks >> PERRIS AUTO SPEEDWAY >> Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1260989678 Message started by mighty16x on 12/16/09 at 10:54am |
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Title: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by mighty16x on 12/16/09 at 10:54am PAS has takin on the same rules as victorvilles sport mods. this is gonna be a great class. now lets get Bako and others on the same page and this class will grow and give a place for the budget guys to race. http://www.perrisautospeedway.com/site/rules-sportmods.html |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by Ryan D. on 12/16/09 at 7:08pm I got some rules questions??? 24. ENGINE SPECIFICATIONS: Any American make engine allowed. Steel heads, block and oil pan only. OEM passenger vehicle production block only. No GM Bowtie, Ford SVO or Chrysler W blocks. Flat tappet cam/lifters and stud-mounted rocker arms only. No stud girdles. No mushroom lifters, cannot alter lifter bores. OEM firing order cannot be changed. No crank triggers. All engines must be able to be used in conventional passenger car without alterations. Engine mounts cannot be removed or altered. Castings and fittings must not be changed. No machine work on outside of engine. All belt driven accessories must be on front of engine. ‘Wet’ sump oiling system only. In 2011 this will be a 360 cubic inch max. division. So you can run any head and intake combo just need the 4412 carb And no claim/exchange? 22. TRANSMISSION/DRIVE SHAFT: All forward and reverse gears must be operational, plus a neutral position. With engine running and car in still position, driver must be able to engage car in gear and move forward, then backward. Only OEM production transmissions allowed. No ‘in and out’ boxes or quick change devices allowed. Functioning shift levers must be in OEM location. One steel or aluminum OEM style/size flywheel or steel OEM style/size flexplate allowed, must be bolted directly to end of crankshaft. Automatic: Must remain in OEM or OEM replacement case, with a functioning OEM appearing pump. Aluminum OEM bellhousing may be replaced with aftermarket explosion-proof aluminum bellhousing. Original OEM bellhousing must have approved scatter shield constructed of minimum 0.125-inch by three-inch steel, 270 degrees around flexplate. Manual: Must be unaltered, three or four speed, OEM production case and have a working 7.25 inch minimum diameter, steel and/or aluminum, single or multi-disc clutch and pressure plate bolted directly to flywheel/flexplate. These components must rotate, consistent with engine rpm, while car is in any gear. Must use explosion-proof steel bellhousing with one hole for throw out bearing lever or hose, must be 270 degrees around top of clutch and flywheel/flexplate area. Hydraulic clutch pedal allowed with manual transmission only. And auto trans cars can run couplers with Ball valves just no clutch pedal allowed correct. |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by Hud25 on 12/16/09 at 7:24pm I have heard that they plan on running them on the small track. Which in my opinion would be a big mistake, the lightning sprints are barely small enough to fit, no banking in it, there would be no passing, and alot of beaten up cars. JMO. I am currently in the process of converting my old car to a sport mod that my younger brother will drive. Would love to run both Perris and victorvile but not if sport mods are on the little track, i will be back at perris with my regular mod regardless, Cant wait for the next season in my New car! |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by varaceway on 12/16/09 at 7:53pm Ryan D. The answer is yes to your questions . Thanks Mike |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by mighty16x on 12/16/09 at 8:07pm i havnt raced at perris at all since 1996 or so, and it was on the small track. it wasnt too small. maybe different now. but i like the idea of not having to buy a new gear. and yes those engine rules sound open, but with the 2bbl, gas and suspension restrictions, it has really made for some equal racing. at least on the small track. i believe on the 1/2 mile you could really take advantage of the big HP. the idea behind the rules was to make it easy to take an older IMCA car and run it. IMCA Southern Sport Mod would require a completly purpose built car. no hand-me-downs. im currently running a flat top 350 hobby/street stock motor that only pumps 120# of cranking compression, and i really had no problem running with Kinkade, Gordon, Lathrop or any of the top cars. i will have a little more next season. but in 2011 VAR is cutting them back to 360 ci. i just hope this takes off at other tracks. |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by Kdawg on 12/16/09 at 9:13pm What a Cool thing. Any chance of a Vs. series in this?? I think it would draw in more of a crowd if you worked the advertising into a Battle. Like the sidecars next door to VV. High Desert vs Inland Empire, not VV vs Perris. It's too exclusive.\ Good Luck Mike and (perris) Scott I think?? Wonder what SMS and Bako have thought of it all,, if any. |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by smart_guy on 12/16/09 at 9:18pm we dont need anymore classes at SMS IMHO |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by Kdawg on 12/16/09 at 9:52pm smartguy wrote on 12/16/09 at 9:18pm:
Your probably right. I was just thinking how cool it would be to get more tracks to adopt the rules VV and Perris have adopted. I know there is IMCA, but it's not too often you see a home track class get expanded like this. It seems to be so economical as compared to IMCA Mods, and with the economy the way it is, well you know the rest.... I'm solely excited about the possible battles between the tracks. We haven't had anything like this before (to my knowledge), very cool. |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by mudslinger47 on 12/16/09 at 10:44pm I don't know about Bako, but its a 4 hr + tow from here, I doubt you'd get much of a draw. If there dollar down for the car, they probably won't want to spend the money towing either. Duane |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by Kdawg on 12/16/09 at 11:10pm I didn't think about it like that..... Just something to think about I guess. I mean if it caught on between sms and bako like it seems to be down here, then a special race or two every year would make for a decent car count at those shows. Less money in the car equals more money to travel eh? But all said and done your 100% correct, running these classes would not bring your weekly show (out of towners) count up. Simkins Memorial Sport Mod Shoot Out Bud Nationals Sport Mod Shoot Out VV Turkey Sport Mod Shoot Out Perris....sumting sumting LOL (no offense, if I missed something special about the mentioned shows) Just a Thought Guys, Nothing More Nothing Less |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by mighty16x on 12/17/09 at 7:30am i agree, a track to track deal would be cool, but each track needs to build a home base of cars first. maybe a season or two. i think its inevitable that most tracks will have a sport mod class very soon, to help bridge the gap between hobby/street and imca mod. i once thought that was the super street class, but that class is going to get out of hand im afraid. i just hope the tracks stay with similar rules when they go sport mod. |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by SoCalDirtBoy on 12/18/09 at 3:21pm You really think Perris needs another class???!!! The Mods were only bringing 5-6 car for the last 4-5 races They already run 7 classes a night They have one of the highest Pit Fees, plus you must PAY to draw a Pea They don't pay, your checks are always at least a month out There is always a threat they are closing, switching to Off-Road, . . Even the big Sprint races don't even draw the teams anymore (Lost WoO) |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by Kdawg on 12/18/09 at 3:24pm Didn't realize Perris ever had World of Warcraft (WoW)..........$10 this poster is under 17......Thanks for Playing |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by SoCalDirtBoy on 12/18/09 at 3:27pm OK, I will take your money wrote on 12/18/09 at 3:24pm:
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by SoCalDirtBoy on 12/18/09 at 3:30pm 1-Lap Track Records Class Driver Time Date World Of Outlaws Danny Lasoski 13.875 2/23/02 http://www.perrisautospeedway.com/site/records.html |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by Kdawg on 12/18/09 at 5:13pm You Changed it , but either way come get your money tough guy. |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by SoCalDirtBoy on 12/18/09 at 5:34pm wrote on 12/18/09 at 5:13pm:
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by ScottDaloisio on 12/18/09 at 9:53pm SoCalDirtBoy wrote on 12/18/09 at 3:21pm:
You know, I do not read this or many other message boards that much anymore because of crap like this. People posting false trash while hiding behind a screen name and causing problems. Just to set the record straight and correct some of the garbage this person has posted, read below. The PAS had ONE Modified race later in the year that only had four cars. Beside that, there were normally 10 cars or more. Of the nine PASSCAR nights on our schedule for 2010, five of the nights have less than seven divisions. It was even less in 2009. And, you are normally out between 9:30 and 10:00 PM. Yes, The PAS charges a higher pit fee than most and a pill pick fee. Look at the facility. How many facilities have a 60,000 watt digital sound system? How many track have daytime bright seamless lighting? That is just scratching the surface. Stuff like that costs money to operate. It costs more to operate The PAS than most dirt tracks in the nation. Add to that, it is on a fairgrounds and the state gets a nice cut of every single item sold (ticket, pit pass, soda, hot dog, t-shirts etc). Yes, the pay is sometimes slower than most tracks, but have you ever heard of one racer not getting paid or of a check being bounced? ABSOLUTELY NOT! The only threats of The PAS closing or switching to full time Off Road comes from the simplistic minds of message board gossip mongers making crap up! "Even the big Sprint races don't even draw the teams anymore (Lost WoO)." How do you dream this crap up? The PAS is home track to the second biggest 410 Non Wing Sprint Car Series (USAC/CRA) in the nation. And, The PAS never, "lost WoO." The PAS elected not to have the WoO back for a couple of reasons. One is the date. They normally want to come in February during the rainy season. You lose that race due to weather and you lose all of your advertising dollars and the Southern California advertising rates are the second highest in the nation. Second reason is the attendance draw. Running them every year does not payoff. This is non wing country and the local fans do not support them. They will be back in the future. Message boards had better start taking notice to the careless posts people (most of whom hide behind screen names) put up. They cause DAMAGE! They cause damage to racers, sponsors (team and track) and tracks. One person writes it and others pick up on it believing it is the truth and they spread it on. And, that does damage to fans, too. You do not believe that, look at The PAS Late Model class that was canned before the 2009 season. They were on the 2009 PAS schedule, but were taken off. And, mouths running and the constant whining on this board - many of whom never or were seldom at The PAS - had a lot to do with it. Once again, it is not just this board or just this sport. Message boards, being populated and manipulated by gossip mongers, due damage to every subject where there is a board. Sooner or later boards are going to have to be cleaned up. They are all out of control with ridiculous rumors and falsehoods people can post just because they have a whim to do so. Sorry for going off, but I am sick and tired of this rubbish hurting all kinds of hard working people within the sport (racers, owners, sponsors, sanctioning bodies, tracks and fans). Scott Daloisio |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by SoCalDirtBoy on 12/18/09 at 10:37pm So you are saying you are pleased with a car count of 10? 10/3 - 5 cars 10/24 - 8 cars 11/21 - 8 cars Look at SMS and VAS, why do you think they draw 24+ cars? I know drivers living in Riverside that are driving 3+ hours to race, rather then drive 25 mins So when I arrive, is it alright that pay late? Why is it ok to get paid late? Money is coming in to the gate?? For a PREMIER track, sure are some empty pits and STANDS |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by ScottDaloisio on 12/19/09 at 5:41am SoCalDirtBoy wrote on 12/18/09 at 10:37pm:
Since you seem to be getting your car counts off The PAS website to perpetuate this crap, you are forgetting that cars that are non members do not score points. Therefore they are not showing up in the point count. Done with it. Just wanted to make a point of people posting anything thing they darn well please - whether it is true or not - and getting away with it while hiding behind a screen name. Scott Daloisio |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by mighty16x on 12/19/09 at 9:42am like i said before, i have only been to perris one time. and that was the first ever stock car race. we were dissapointed with enough stuff that we have never gone back. but heres what i see.... Big Changes... it looks to me like all the classes have been rebuilt to mirror successful classes at other tracks. and the sport mod class was designed to give someone an affordable way to race a mod. so comparing the full mods to this class in any way is apples to oranges. every track has its problems, you just need to decide if they are bad enough to make you stay away. nobody is holding a gun to your head to race. you have a choice.. i will try a race at the pas, maybe more if i like it. but give it a chance. maybe someone is really trying to make a change. |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by Art on 12/19/09 at 3:54pm SoCalDirtBoy wrote on 12/18/09 at 3:21pm:
Scott is right, its guys like you that talk sh-t that hurt the sport, in today's economy businesses are going out daily, you should want your track to be profitable so they can stay in business and provide a place for you to race, you guys will be sucking hind tit when your track drops your class or closes, as for the pas its a nice facility but every track has its procedures & rules and no one is forced to race there, i spent many nights at the pas and lots of other guys like racing there too Perris has got to have the highest cost of operation of any of the tracks here in Ca, over the last 10 years how many times have the other tracks had to restructure and get new promotors, (lots) its easy to see that the pas has the most successful operation going, remember its a business, not just a place for a certain class to think they own, they no longer race 2 classes that I spent a lot of money on to race, am I bitter ? no. it was a business decision, I admire the fact that they are able to do what is necessary to survive and reinvent their show to remain profitable socaldirtyboy just because your driving career has passed you buy is no reason to try to discourage others from racing at the pas, you had your time in the sun, why not let others have theirs too, your posts are always self centered and selfish, don't you think its time to let it go I need to make one more point some of you guys that talk neck all the time think this message board was put here for you to do that...WRONG this board is a place for you to get information, this board is someone's BUISNESS, be it large or small (and that's none of your buisness) its a place where someone makes part of his living, when you come on here and talk neck about the tracks you not only show how stupid you are but you chase away some people that might actually contribute to the sport, it will be good to see what rules are posted for the new year concerning post content I am sure none of you would like to have your business scrutinized in the manner that you subject others to So just for a day, try to treat people with the same respect you would like from them, instead of acting like a idiot |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by SoCalDirtBoy on 12/20/09 at 12:29am ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D Art wrote on 12/19/09 at 3:54pm:
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by Art on 12/20/09 at 4:25pm SoCalDirtBoy wrote on 12/18/09 at 10:37pm:
you should never have started that fight with ray, now all you do is talk sh-t about the pas because they fined you, you deserved it, and now your not even man enough to use your other screename, the one that goes with your name, your profile says your 47 grow some balls and tell everyone who you are, some of us already know....... what a weasel you are hey kdawg you know who it is dont you LMR when are you going to take care of these guys that talk sh-t hiding behind screenames you and the admin continue to let this go on, why do you have to wait till the first of the year to do something (do you work for the government) do it now, get rid of these guys, why sit on your hands and wait, you know who this guys is just cross check the ip address, give him the boot, they didnt need him at perris and you dont need him here |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by Late_Model_Mark on 12/20/09 at 4:43pm I would like to say hi to Art, I liked watching you race your Late Model, hope all is well. Also hi to Scott Deloisio, you were always cool with me, I thank you. I enjoyed my trips to Perris once I got there (traffic was awfull from the SF Valley) and got in. Clean facility with very nice things for the fans. The dude cryin' about the place should mellow out. Remember, any track open in 2010 is good, even if they run push em' & flip ems' all the time, LOL, just playin' here. As stated before, tracks need to do what they need to do to keep open, a very tough deal today, especially in the exspensive So-Cal market. One thing about the WoO, I remember a few years ago that Don K. told me the money it took to have that show and how many buns in the seats at $30+ a head it took, talk about gettin' an ulcer!! Late Model Mark The Red Clay Report |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by Kdawg on 12/20/09 at 11:37pm No Art I have no idea who it is, nor do I care. To me it's a no name poster that thinks he's all big getting on here and talking smack. If he wants to "tap me on the shoulder" by all means bring it. Just leave the weapons at home is all I ask. I've been due for a good ol fashion ass whoopin for awhile anyway...maybe he'd be the one to do it?? Promoters seem to put too much stock in what no name low count posters have to say. They put so much passion into responding to these people, yet other threads with very valid beefs or questions get ignored. Just my observation and I am not singling any one person out. There has been 4 different tracks promoters that I have seen to date, to give these guys the time of day. Then they start talking about how "damaging" these boards are. Baloney.....There are 10 times the amount of people on these boards that keep the 1% in check. Quit adding to the egos of these buffoons, by responding to them and start putting as much passion into questions/concerns the guys that sign their names (or are known) have for you. Again not singling any one person or track out here, I've seen responses from all over California, and not just on this board. In the words of a Buddy............Peace. |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by Hud25 on 01/12/10 at 8:05am Just got a email from Perris and Sport Mods will be on the big Track! I think that is a very wise descision. |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by TDAWG on 01/12/10 at 4:10pm It's just nice to see that the tracks are working together on the rules package so more drivers can race different tracks. Great move on all the tracks that have joined forces. :) |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by Hud25 on 01/13/10 at 1:16am It is good to see the two tracks work together on the classes since there is alot guys that like to run both tracks, Victorville has come a long way in the last few years. We will have a sport mod and regular mod full time at perris and part time at Victorville this year, even have a spare motor this season! Can't wait till the season starts. Also glad to see the paying for pit stall thing is over. |
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Title: Re: Perris Auto Speedway Sport Mods Post by mighty16x on 01/14/10 at 5:56pm Chowchilla has also adopted VARs sport mod rules. things are looking up. |
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