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Message started by Chris Kearns on 11/28/09 at 9:08pm

Title: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Chris Kearns on 11/28/09 at 9:08pm

There are 2 Enduros scheduled at Santa Maria next season. May 22nd and Oct 2nd. Rules have been posted at www.RaceSantaMariaSpeedway.com Go to team info-rules

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by fan_of_4p on 11/28/09 at 11:19pm

man does this guy ever stop promoting his race track?
it's the off season CK take a break.. lol jk you are PROMOTOR of the year in 2009.

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by rickybobby33x on 11/29/09 at 10:18am

Thanks chris ..............looks like I might keep the chevelle afterall................................BRING IT.................pete..... ;)

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Winland_Racing on 11/29/09 at 11:52am

How many laps? 200?

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Chris Kearns on 11/29/09 at 5:17pm

200 or 250. Not sure yet.

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by mighty16x on 11/29/09 at 11:28pm

mini and full size?

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by ka_jd7and1 on 11/30/09 at 7:06am

From the rules currently posted looks like full-size.

http://www.racesantamariaspeedway.com/Uploads/Rules-%20Enduro.pdf

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by mighty16x on 11/30/09 at 8:44am

without a front or rear hoop to protect the chassis, it might as well be a destruction derby car.
seriously, say no reinforcing of any suspension components, and no visible bars from outsise the car. thats all bolt-on stuff. the frame gets bent,,,your out an enduro car. you also have a ton of older factory stocks laying around Santa Maria im sure, that are not competetive any more. alot of those kind of cars were reserected for the victorville enduro.
just my thoughts.
im lazy, and dont like building cars. maybe thats just me.

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Winland_Racing on 11/30/09 at 8:54am

I have to agree, I hope the plan is to adopt West Coast Enduro rules for those of us that have built our cars to that rules package, in addition, about 8 tracks in the state use our rules.
It states air cleaner and filter are the only changebale parts, what about valve covers with the breathers (the 39$ model at speedway). We are allowed front radiator protection, 2 points of contact to the frame, not further out than the bumper and no higher than the radiator, cant be connected to main cage, we are also allowed bars from cage to frame area and a rear fuel cell hoop, again only 2 points of contact, not connected to the cage.

Keep in mind, this is an event, which sounds like less of a race and more of what the fans want to see, if that is the case, then allow all equal type cars to the playing field, 250 laps is the equalizer. 7" street tires in mud....let em run!

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Ryan D. on 12/01/09 at 10:43pm

rickshawII wrote on 11/30/09 at 8:44am:

Theres a ton of old factory stocks lying around????? Really maybe I could find my old car then. There may be a few maybe 10 tops. I do agree with winland about the W.C. enduro rules though. With all the talk about everyone bening on the same rules package that should be a no brainer. Also if you dont like rules dont race it, Im looking already for a car rules seem fare to me. And as far as beening out a enduro car Oh well I could wad up a 500.00 enduro car just as Quick as a 10k mod Its all in the luck BRO.

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by ministocker56 on 12/01/09 at 10:58pm

last time santa maria had any Enduro's we did'nt run a front & or rear hoop

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by brummi5050 on 12/02/09 at 12:25pm

That is true. Hell the first few years of the factory stock class didnt have the hoops. Here we go again!!

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Daves_53c_19 on 12/02/09 at 2:10pm

The enduro ruies are the same as the american stocks rules at bako
i am good :D

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Chris Kearns on 12/02/09 at 10:24pm

rickshawII wrote on 11/30/09 at 8:44am:

I know being positive on here is not one of your strong points, but let me clear it up for you. Going by the rules, brought Santa Maria as many as 143 enduro cars at one event and they were not demolition derbys. You dont like my street stock rules because they are to open and you dont like my enduro rules because they are to stock. Wow, your pretty tough to please.

Where do you race?

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by mudslinger47 on 12/02/09 at 10:43pm

I ran the same car atleast 4 times, no loop front or rear. DON"T add dollars to the car, folks can't afford it right now. If you have a cow catcher on the front you'll be a bull dozer, if you don't you'll be a smidge more careful.

JMO Duane

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by smart_guy on 12/02/09 at 10:50pm

darn it, i knew i shouldnt have gotten rid of my old town car lol ;D

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by ministocker56 on 12/02/09 at 11:35pm

actuly that year or night they did start 143 car's & i was car 143

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 12/03/09 at 5:59am

mudslinger47 wrote on 12/02/09 at 10:43pm:

I agree.... adding front and rear loops just increases the cost and labor involved. these are ENDURO races not 200 lap factory stock race! . You got to take care of the radiator to survive....
Most important is to make sure the driver is protected.. with a cage and plate steel on the door bars, with a quality seat and belts.....
If you get 4-6 races out of a car your probably doing pretty good, once in a while your gonna fold one up beyond repair.... That is the idea of the class....

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by mighty16x on 12/03/09 at 7:33am

mudslinger47 wrote on 12/02/09 at 10:43pm:

40 ft of tubing is around $50 depending on where you are.
and a little time and effort...doesnt sound expensive at all.
and im not talking about cow catchers,,, just frame support.
but i will build a new car if we decide to come, no big deal.
i just really enjoyed the victorville enduro and cant wait to run another.

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Winland_Racing on 12/03/09 at 7:37am

Well, it is your track and your rules, you get to do what you want. I still think the suggestion to adopt WCE rules is a valid suggestion. It is just a way for a guy to protect his equipment if he/she does get into a big one.

I have been wanting to race there for about 10 years, used to try and get the old mgmt. team there to have enduros and they just kept telling me that it wasnt on their schedule.

Maybe in lieu of an enduro, I will just run one of the longer pure stock shows you have and become a back of the packer!

In the mean time, I will advise the 200 members of our WCE Yahoo groups (yes only about 8-10 would tow out there) that the rules are different than ours, which honestly will probably keep them home.

Again, if you get 140 cars, then you wont need our measly car counts.

In a way I applaud you going back to the true basics of an enduro car, but like every class of racing on earth, we have evolved! We are yesterdays pure stocks.

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Winland_Racing on 12/03/09 at 8:35am

One other thought I had, In the last 10 years, the largest enduro race was at Altamont in early 2000 or 2001, there were 72 cars. Even in Watsonvilles hayday of late 90's, early 2000, they would get about 60 cars. Going back 20 years to Baylands, 1986 to about the time they closed, early 90's, they had up to 212 cars.

Most of our races today only get about 20-35 cars, although Stockton99 on New Years Eve is looking to be a good show with $2000.00 to win. I think they will ACTUALLY will pay what they advertise because they should get the car counts. We are hoping for 50.

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by R.Denman14 on 12/03/09 at 6:24pm

Chris, I would like to have my car checked asap to see if everything is ok. I could bring it to you or take pictures, whatever you like.

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Winland_Racing on 12/03/09 at 8:41pm

If you get 4-6 races out of a car your probably doing pretty good, once in a while your gonna fold one up beyond repair.... That is the idea of the class....

Most of us are getting 3-6 years at minimum 10 races a year! The rules evolved because people cant afford to build cars 2x a year based on your 6 race theory.

Either way, I am sure the enduros will be a success, I am just trying to voice the opinion of enduro racers that actually have cars and run em regurarily, not based on a 20 years ago car count.....

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Frazier15 on 12/03/09 at 9:35pm

Winland_Racing wrote on 12/03/09 at 8:41pm:

Winland-

I think he is trying to stay in the spirit of a traditional enduro car. I looked at your rules. Although they seem to be a fair set of rules, they go to far in my opinion for what a traditional enduro car should be.

Some of your rules reflect performance enhancing items- not just durability.

A few that I noticed-

Aftermarket radiators--Opens the door to aluminum radiators.

Locked rear ends--

Racing springs--

Water tanks--

Although we may disagree on some of the above items as being an advantage, there is also the cost, and time needed to add these items.

You car rules appear to be more of a factory or pure stock car-- or are at least headed in that direction.

You have a great thing going with what you guys are doing-- i'm not knocking what you got going. But I tend to think he is trying to create an event that will attract the non-racer average guy, that can put together a car in his back yard for relatively cheap, and come have fun.

I think it's a great way for the speedway to attract new racers and increase car counts--- todays rookie enduro guy could be tomorrows hobby stock racer if he gets the bug.

Keep it simple, cheap, and affordable.

JMO

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by mudslinger47 on 12/03/09 at 10:54pm

rickshawII wrote on 12/03/09 at 7:33am:

mudslinger47 wrote on 12/02/09 at 10:43pm:

I'm bettin' Chris will do alright with this deal, early is the key. Lookin' for a monte carlo as we speak.

Duane

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Winland_Racing on 12/04/09 at 7:28am

I agree, we as a group have debated the traditional rules with the reality for years. We then had to be realistic with what was out there and kind of adapted the rules accordingly.

I 100% agree it is for the entry level type of guy to get into racing on a cheap dime, the same concept as the mini stock class which has gotten so popular over the last bunch of years.

As the President of West Coast Enduro, I am trying to do my due diligence in supporting my group and all the work we, and I personally have done for the sport of enduro.

We have a long time before the season, I am sure Chris will advise if we wants to allow the WCE cars to run the race, if not, thats fine too. As stated before, I am sure it will be succsssful as everything he has touched has worked out very well.

You are all fortunate to have a local track that is run well, my closest track in 1.5 hours away with most tracks up to 3-4 hours.....

Race on!!

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by R.Denman14 on 12/04/09 at 6:20pm

Lookin' for a monte carlo as we speak.

Duane[/quote]

Good luck with that Duane. They are getting real hard to find these.
Most of the cars that are good and competitive for enduro racing just are not easy to find. And when you do find one, cant get it for 100 bucks anymore. Thats why you have to build the car you have as strong as the rules allow so you can keep racing it. I like the WCE rules and hope my car, along with other 4 cars in Coalinga can race SMS next year.

Chris give me a call when you can.

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by THAD77 on 12/04/09 at 8:18pm

I find this too fuuny. My Monte is 10 plus years old. never had a front hoop. But I did reclip it once about 5 years ago. It started as an enduro car in 1998 and ran many years as a fatory stock. if your going bend up a car hoop or not its going to bend. I like the rules keep it basic and stock. I'll be cutting out the rear hoop if needed and making any other changes to meet these rules. I do have a few questions though? battery placement? is the trunk ok? removable/ quick release steering wheels? springs stock type or stock for make and model? sway bars?

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by ministocker56 on 12/04/09 at 8:33pm

like i said in a earlyer post back the last time sms had an enduro we ran 250 lap's & nobody back then had a front or rear cage

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by mudslinger47 on 12/04/09 at 11:48pm

R.Denman14 wrote on 12/04/09 at 6:20pm:

Lookin' for a monte carlo as we speak.

Duane

Good luck with that Duane. They are getting real hard to find these.
Most of the cars that are good and competitive for enduro racing just are not easy to find. And when you do find one, cant get it for 100 bucks anymore. Thats why you have to build the car you have as strong as the rules allow so you can keep racing it. I like the WCE rules and hope my car, along with other 4 cars in Coalinga can race SMS next year.

Chris give me a call when you can.
[/quote]

True dat!!!! But I got this buddy in the boondocks (out of the state of callyfornia) that may just help me out.

Duane

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by R.Denman14 on 12/05/09 at 7:33am

Sweet Duane if you need somebody to go and help you out let me know, got love them kind of buddies. lol

Thad, my car has no hoops just simple radiator and front fender support just like Bakos american stocks but I would hate to have to try and remove it to put the stock support back in.

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Ryan D. on 12/05/09 at 9:14am

Rules say miniuim 6pt roll cage. Does this mean your allowed 2 down tubes to the rear or the front. We need a diagram like the old SMS rules.

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by michael_redding on 12/05/09 at 10:43am

I have raced this class all over for 8 years and its been fun but its not how much $ you have in the car its a lot of hours going over your car to be ready for a 200 laper.and i meen checking every think. its inportant if your going 200 laps. second the track is mud and slop so horse power is out. and driving skills help to. your going 200 laps do your home work drive smart and save your tires and keep her cool . if your buy a $ 600.00 car out of somebodys back yard and go 8 hour drive to get there. $200 in gas 2 night room 180 $80 in gas for the racer car. entry fee 130. pit pass 35. thats a lot to speed. I would not go to that race and put it in my car so that i might make it 200 laps .i think american stocks and factorys should run to . i do not have a money car.or big power.the last hanford race i ran 80 laps with only 6 holes fireing and sill won. if thay slop and mud that track down and it stays sloppy we are all equal. i use my brain not my foot. so lets all go and have fun next year. good idea chris mud her down

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by mudslinger47 on 12/05/09 at 11:31am

Ryan D. wrote on 12/05/09 at 9:14am:

Rules say miniuim 6pt roll cage. Does this mean your allowed 2 down tubes to the rear or the front. We need a diagram like the old SMS rules.

Now that would be getting creative with the rules, but I'd be bettin' its to the rear. No reinforcement in the front, wouldn't to down tubes to the front be reinforcement?

Duane

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Ryan D. on 12/06/09 at 8:43am

All I know is rules are min.6 point and a enduro cage only has 4 points.

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by mudslinger47 on 12/06/09 at 9:45am

Well, you go ahead and put your down tubes to the front, but bring a hack saw, I'm bettin' you'll need it. The down tubes we used to run went to the frame kick-ups at the rear axle. Why make it difficult when you obviously know better?

Duane

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by ministocker56 on 12/06/09 at 2:33pm

all dippened's on how safe you want to be , i would think rear kicker's would be fine long as then did'nt go past the rear fire wall , now the front , i remember helping some guy's it was alound to have bar's in the front but not past the back of the a-arm's

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 12/06/09 at 4:42pm

It dippeneds on if you are running a sub frame car or a full framed car....

Isn't the down tubes to the back primarily for the sub frame cars?

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Frazier15 on 12/07/09 at 1:12pm

My guess is that the 2 extra "points" are to the rear, staying on the interior side of the rear firewall.

Example-- full framed coil car, you shoot from the mid-level horizontal bars on the "B" posts back and down to the upturn in the rear frame, which is right below the stock sheetmetal, in line with the wheel wells-

So when you look in the trunk, you actually don't see the bars, they hit the frame before the axle centerline-- they only go past the stock rear firewall an inch at the most.

IMHO

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by brummi5050 on 12/07/09 at 8:42pm

Also wondering about seatbelts. Can they be in good shape but out of date belts or current? And if I come up with a car that has no motor, how do we keep everything"stock"? These rules are pretty vague and leave too much to interpretation. They cant expect everyone to find cherry one owner cars that have everything in the engine compartment. We are gettin excited and ready to build a few!

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Ryan D. on 12/07/09 at 9:28pm

brummi5050 wrote on 12/07/09 at 8:42pm:

Also wondering about seatbelts. Can they be in good shape but out of date belts or current? !

Crow used to have a reweb program and the had a deal to turn in your outdated belts for new ones. I know were all trying to save a buck or two. But seat belts are cheap and Crow still has his program going on way too cheap to worry about old belts.

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Chris Kearns on 12/09/09 at 9:00pm

Frazier15 wrote on 12/07/09 at 1:12pm:

Bingo, on the 2 extra points.

I will make a decision on the seat belts after I talk to some of the companies here at PRI

I dont think the rules are vague STOCK. I guess Chrome air cleaners and valve covers are ok, but thats all.

I am looking into the front bar deal. Maybe bars for your radiator and fender supports, but nothing connected to the hoop or going thru the firewall. I will let you guys know when I have made a decision

My plan for the purse is 100% payback on entree fee. More info later

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by mighty16x on 12/10/09 at 9:23am

the radiator and fenders are bolt on parts. my concern is the frame structure. i would rather let the radiator go unprotected and support the base structure of the car. jmo.

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Winland_Racing on 12/10/09 at 1:53pm

Here is a picture of what I propose with the radiator bar being seperate from the cage to frame bars.

Here is an example of the rear fuel cell bar being seperate from the rear frame rail kick outs.

Here is proof that both still give,one included a visit to the frame shop.

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Ryan D. on 12/10/09 at 4:54pm

Thanks for the pictures I was just coming on here to ask this exact question Do you have any more?

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by Winland_Racing on 12/10/09 at 6:08pm

I have a bunch in the 2008 car build file and 2009 on www.winlandracing.com

Title: Re: 2010 Santa Maria Speedway Enduro
Post by mighty16x on 12/11/09 at 3:06pm

thats fine. just like that, the front down bars attach to the cage im sure and drop to the frame before they pass by the radiator. these will help protect the framerails. the radiator protecter is completely seperate with only 2 attaching points. i like this design.
if this is ok for the westcoast enduro series, you should see us a couple times this season.