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http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Tracks >> SANTA MARIA RACEWAY >> 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1256228875 Message started by Chris Kearns on 10/22/09 at 9:27am |
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Title: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Chris Kearns on 10/22/09 at 9:27am http://www.chriskearnspresents.com/ruleswestreetstocks.php |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hschamp90 on 10/22/09 at 12:09pm R.I.P. EvsW!!! Hopefully these changes can help car count at SMS. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hogracer3d on 10/22/09 at 12:14pm Rules dont look too bad, but I'm waiting for the purseectomy-:) |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by RACEGLASS on 10/22/09 at 2:37pm Did I read the rules right, I did not see any cubic inch rule or compression rule. :D |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by mighty16x on 10/22/09 at 2:52pm i do wish the best to Chris. i hope this brings out the local racers. guess i will have to bust out the hobby stock if i want to enjoy the tacky clay of SMS. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 10/22/09 at 3:46pm And 4 barrels allowed! |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Ryan D. on 10/22/09 at 4:25pm Doesnt say no shaft rockers,so they still legal? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by benstrans on 10/22/09 at 4:58pm So, am I to assume that the REGULAR classes at SMS will be: Mini Stocks Hobby Stocks West Coast Street Stocks IMCA Mods Late Models Bandit 360 Sprints |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Chris Kearns on 10/22/09 at 5:53pm Mini Stocks Hobby Stocks West Coast Street Stocks IMCA Modifieds West Coast Late Models WEST COAST 360 Sprint Cars along with 360 and 410 Wing Sprint Cars, Midgets, Enduros, Dwarf cars, etc. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Dirt_Track_Junkie on 10/22/09 at 6:14pm Not that I would run one, but it seems the crates should get a weight brake ??? They have the only specified 4bbl. carb. A 650? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Sparky56 on 10/22/09 at 7:53pm Needs to be "West Coast SUPER Stocks". Now thanks to CK, I gotta spend another grand on tires and a gear >:( >:( And running a 2bbl. againest a 4bbl. is BS :P |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Ryan D. on 10/22/09 at 8:01pm Sparky56 wrote on 10/22/09 at 7:53pm:
Sparky read it again CARBURETOR: 1. One (1) Holly 500 CFM. Two barrel carburetor (no. 4412 only) or (1) 4 Barrel carburetor. 2. Two- (2) throttle springs mandatory Id be more worried about the valve train rules myself |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hogracer3d on 10/22/09 at 8:18pm Sparky56 wrote on 10/22/09 at 7:53pm:
Good news in that only OEM perimeter frames are allowed, so the 56 car could be the only legal car there So, no uni-body frames gentleman CHASSIS AND SUSPENSION: 1. 1964 or newer OEM perimeter American rear-wheel drive passenger car frame only. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by imracin68j on 10/22/09 at 8:23pm I think the difference between a IMCA rule with unlimited motors and a SS with an unlimited motor is the lack of a claim (Which is impossible in a non-nationwide sanction.) The claim does keep the mod engines in somewhat of check, even though I know there are some nice mod engines out there. Hopefully the tire is restrictive enough to keep everything in check. Q1 Does the trans have to be aluminum? Can it be magnesium? Q2 Can leafs float the RR? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by csmith3d on 10/22/09 at 8:37pm Go ahead and float it. The mods started out with a hard tire and a basic chassis until they realized that they could not go fast without exotic suspension. And now that they have the suspension, only ten people have figured it out and the rest of them run into each other and cause yellows .BUT IT PUTS BUTTS IN THE STANDS IF THEY WRECK and doesn't cost the promoter anything. I can't see any more that 3 locals moving up to this class but I hope that I am wrong. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hogracer3d on 10/22/09 at 8:53pm I know nobodys going to believe this, but here goes anyway. I did not compose this, I swear. Cut and Paste job, honest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I heard someone at the shop tonight say that Kearns turned into Swindell faster than Swindell did. I'm not sure but I don't think it was meant as a compliment" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- FYI, there's nobody around my shop except me, and Super Dave, and he's not ever sober enough to spell Swindell LOL |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Chad11 on 10/22/09 at 8:57pm If you guys are fast on the dirt bozz you will be fast on the hard tire. If only 3 guys move up, that will be 3 more than if nothing had changed. At least someone is trying something. 4-5 years ago racers said raising the purse will fix everything and the promoters listened. Nothing really changed in the long run except it began to cost more to win. I hope it works out. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by csmith3d on 10/22/09 at 9:15pm I hope it works too. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by BakoBoyzRacing on 10/22/09 at 9:23pm Yea you get 3 new guys but look at what has already been lost...This is by far going to be a hard class to get peolpe into, but something has to change and CK is trying...It maybe a few years before we see 28-32 cars at a show...But for now with things changing all the time peolpe are not going to want to get into this class...Once this class gets stable then you will see more people get into it...I love this class and I don't see it go off anyones schdual anytime soon but the car counts will contuine to be low...Trust and belive that there is a lot of SS in Cali, just need to get all the rules as 1 not 3 or 4 different sets...Maybe this West Coast Super Stocks will take off and become a Western Region Super Stocks (CA, AR, OR, NV and so on) set of rules... Best of Luck |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Meneley1 on 10/22/09 at 9:26pm Looks like heads can be ported & polished as well. So, with unlimited cubic inches with 4bbls, what is the point of the crate motor? It wouldn't even be close to competative. You think guys have money in their engines now? Wait till next year, there is gonna be some hard core bad muthas out there. Even with the harder tire, a little motor will not be any threat on a hooked up race track. Interesting, but out of my budget. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hogracer3d on 10/22/09 at 9:28pm 691.8 @ 6800? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Sparky56 on 10/22/09 at 9:33pm hogracer3d wrote on 10/22/09 at 9:28pm:
427 S/B Chevy, right Dave :-? :-? :-? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Chris Kearns on 10/22/09 at 9:33pm hogracer3d wrote on 10/22/09 at 8:53pm:
In that case I guess I will collect everyones membership and collect a bunch of sponsorship next year. Then I will let all the racers go out and sell sponsorship based on the 2010 Santa Maria schedule. Then about Mid season, I will just close SMS down and keep all the point fund money and all the sponsorship money. Also I will stop giving bikes to kids, large trophies for the drivers and kids, winner circle checks that look like race car doors. I will not do any kind of improvements to Santa Maria Speedway and the next time a racer gives me his opininion I will just say "Tough $hit, if you dont like it, dont race here" I am sure there is plenty more I can NOT do, if that is what I will be called. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hogracer3d on 10/22/09 at 9:36pm Sparky56 wrote on 10/22/09 at 9:33pm:
No, the rods hit the cam on that deal even with a small base circle one and the relieved rods. Those are the things with a big hole on one end and a little one on the other, and there is 8 of them ? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Meneley1 on 10/22/09 at 9:40pm Posted by: Chris Kearns Posted on: Today at 9:33pm and the next time a racer gives me his opininion I will just say "Tough $hit, if you dont like it, dont race here" Funny you say that Chris, you have already told racers that! |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by formercrewguy on 10/22/09 at 9:41pm So Doug Jeffers tuna boat big block is legal again!!!!!!!!..........lol |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hogracer3d on 10/22/09 at 9:43pm formercrewguy wrote on 10/22/09 at 9:41pm:
Yea, I'd like to see that one again-:) |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by chassieguy on 10/22/09 at 10:12pm Chris I have two questions. If I read right only cast iron intakes allowed no aluminum? Can it be any cfm 4 barrel and if so does that include the crate motor since it says 650 cfm and if this is the case why have a crate motor even in the rules there isnt any breaks for it? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 10/22/09 at 10:20pm chassieguy wrote on 10/22/09 at 10:12pm:
it reads "ANY CAST INTAKE MANIFOLD" that means alum. or iron. sparky can't run his sheet metal intake. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by 32MORGAN on 10/22/09 at 10:24pm everything see's change, this class is overdue. anyone who's been around this class knows, what has been tried has failed(imo). it's time to try something else. if your not apart of the solution your a part of the super street problem. there's drivers moving into this class in 2010 because of the rule changes, me being 1 of them. i don't why yet, but atleast im not sitting on lmr crying about the long lost super streets. only time will tell if i made the right choise and i'm sure that 28-32 cars will not be realistic next year, but hind sight is 20/20. best of luck, leave all bs in the pits and go on a journey in 2010. im sure the class will be stronger with the 3d, sparky, meneley1, 16x, as well as others supporting the class instead of the other option. would be honored to raced with you in ss 2010. chad11 like your post |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Chris Kearns on 10/22/09 at 10:25pm wrote on 10/22/09 at 9:40pm:
No, if you remember right. First I explained the situation to you as soon as the A-Main was over. You then shook Wayne Dotsons hand, apologized to me and walked away. Then you proceeded to have a few beers and jam me up in the pits after all but 2 cars were gone. I still spent a good 30 minutes trying to explain to you what had transpired. At a certain point, after repeating myself to you SEVERAL times, I told you, "you always have a complaint. It sounds like your not happy here. Maybe you should race somewhere else" I believe Jimmy Irwin can confirm all of this. Instead of taking the time to explain it to you twice, I could have just said "Tough $hit" |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Meneley1 on 10/22/09 at 10:42pm Well, after I was told by about 10 people that I was drilled & taken out my opinion changed, so I wanted to talk to you about it. Well sure, you're CK, you can care less about the guys on a shoe string budget & cater to those with $$$. I found a picture of the car that hit me, you should take a look at it. It's on Paquet Photography, there was nothing left of that car from hitting everything on the track. You pissed me off cause you didn't care to listen from the very beginning, that's why I didn't let up. It was a poor call on your part to begin with. Whatever, i'm over it. I was just stating that YOU DO tell racers tough $hit & go race else where, when you just stated you do not. That is what you said to me. That's all. Don't say you're something when you're not. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Ryan D. on 10/22/09 at 10:54pm CK & Meneley Lets take this to PMs. Everyone on here knows the Streeters are Drama free ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Meneley1 on 10/22/09 at 11:01pm Yea, you're right. But he asked for that one. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hogracer3d on 10/22/09 at 11:21pm The 2010 rules won't keep us from racing SMS or Bako, but the purse could |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by pitter on 10/23/09 at 12:12am CK, under ignition, item 6, last sentence might need a little work;jmo Still no J-bar allowed. Your rules leave lots of room for people to try things. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Chris Kearns on 10/23/09 at 9:47am pitter wrote on 10/23/09 at 12:12am:
I didnt touch these rules from what you guys raced under before. They are just getting looked at alot harder now! |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by dario on 10/23/09 at 9:59am Chris Kearns wrote on 10/22/09 at 9:33pm:
all this while hiding in the announcers booth all night. dont forget to shut the track lights off before eveyone is loaded up and cancel the banquet while your at it. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 10/23/09 at 10:43am and shut down camping and the after hour's mud bogs in the track's tow truck.... |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by SMS VIDEOS on 10/23/09 at 11:11am Man some of you guys blow me away. Chris Busts his ass day in and out to make a place to race. And all you guys do is find sh!t to pregnant dog about. If you spent half the time working on your cars that you spend bitching on here they would probably be winners. Give the guy a break. In the 2O years I have been to the track this one of the best run seasons I have seen. Keep up the good work Chris! I just had to voice my oppinion. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Frazier15 on 10/23/09 at 11:29am SMS Videos-- you beat me to it. I have been asked about moving up to this class. Look at the new rule threads. On LMR right now... You have a 1 page hobbystock rule thread- that in my opinion is low key and respectful. You have a 3 page (about to go 4) Street Stock rule thread- that is full of whining and BS. Less cars- more trouble. Most of the people complaining aren't even regulars at SM. Then you top it off with name calling, and low blow accusations at the promoter. You guys are killing your own class. If I were Chris, I'd kill the whole deal. You can't help those who don't want to be helped. Someone remind me please-- Why would I want to run your class?? So some bozo can piss the promoters off, and I can have a nice shiny car in my garage that I can't use? No thanks. You guys go ahead and chew your arms off and we'll all watch. Me? I'll be in a super hobby until you guys settle down, or go extinct. Good luck with all of that..... |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by BakoBoyzRacing on 10/23/09 at 11:32am Frazier15 wrote on 10/23/09 at 11:29am:
see just like I said in my last post |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hogracer3d on 10/23/09 at 11:41am This is a discussion forum, isn't it? Just people discussing they're likes, dislikes and experiances. So, run em, change em, or eliminate them completely. Makes no difference to me, I got a Saturday halloween party to get ready for, ya ever seen a 305lb Genie?---me either--bet it's hard to get in and out of the lamp Participation is always optional |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by 32MORGAN on 10/23/09 at 11:44am Frazier15 wrote on 10/23/09 at 11:29am:
frazier, i don't think your positive reinforcement on lmr helps the class either. ck, don't everyone to defend him right now, he needs you to go buy super streets and race sms. jmo |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Frazier15 on 10/23/09 at 11:56am 32MORGAN wrote on 10/23/09 at 11:44am:
My bad-- Not my intention. But, I stand by what I said. I'll stay out of it. Good luck |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by csmith3d on 10/23/09 at 1:27pm SMS VIDEOS wrote on 10/23/09 at 11:11am:
1.We did work on our car. 2. we do win. 3. The rules are being changed to make our 5 race old 2bbl engine obselete 4. the payout will be changed so that we can't break even if we WIN the race. 5.I guess this sounds like whining to you but it is the facts as we see them. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by SMS VIDEOS on 10/23/09 at 1:54pm I can understand your frustration. Chris seems to be a pretty fair guy and I dont have to agree with how different people expresses their concerns. Sounds to me like their should be a sit down meeting with drivers of this class and potential drivers with Chris to find the best possible solution to benefit the drivers and the track. I am sorry I made the comment. It just surprises me how people cap on officials and promoters and then they wonder why they seem like the target of penalties on the track. Its always fresh on their mind. When I raced I kept as quiet as possible you can get away with alot more.lol By all means keep up the good driving and good luck, |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by formercrewguy on 10/23/09 at 2:06pm Getting criticized......praised.......and micro-managed by the racing community, is part of the job. CK knows this. All promoters know this. Some won't even give you the time of day(Swindel), others will listen, THEN tell you to step off. Others will chuckle. Some will let the racers dictate........(never good). Some listen, weigh the merits, and make good business decisions. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by flagdude on 10/23/09 at 2:51pm JEEZ! Are you guys serious???? I tried to be quiet, but holy crap! IF YOU DON't WANT TO RACE IN THE SS CLASS, DON'T!!!! If you do want to race, do it! NOBODY IS HOLDING A GUN TO YOUR HEAD! Just to give you all some insight, me and my neighbor have been going to these races (events) in Nevada. They are called Open Road Races. They basically shut down a highway for 50 to 90 miles and let you run your car in different classes and speeds for the event. We have over $65,000.00 in the car (not counting the truck and trailer, hotel rooms etc.) and compete in the Unlimited Class. There is no speed linit for our class. If we finish and win, we get a $20 trophy, after a $1250.00 entry fee (each event). We do it because we like the people and the events, NOT FOR THE MONEY! We follow their rules and their tech. My point is, if you don't like the rules or class that you are competing in, you are free to change or find a class that you are more comfortable in. I like the SS class, but would not build a car for it, but that is me. Chris is trying to save the class and do what he can, if it does not help or build car count, it will probably go away (MY OPINION). Like they said before, "The way to make a small fortune in racing is to start with a large one". |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Patch on 10/23/09 at 2:57pm I don't get why you guys are all pissed off. Chris didn't change EvW rules. He starting a SS class at Santa Maria with very similar rules to what the EvW has, just a different tire. His new class also has less restrictive motor rules. Big Deal! You can still run your existing motor stuff if you want. You guys act like its Chris's fault that the promoters (not just Chris) may not schedual many or any EvW races. It's not. I'm sure you guys all knew this was coming. Heck Chris told the minis before last season started that "As long as you guys have a full field each week I will leave your rules alone. If not Ill have to make changes" Well the mini rules are out now too and guess what They havn't changed much. just got a little clearer. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 10/23/09 at 3:04pm Patch --- where ya' been ole' buddy ???? There is no more E/W.............. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Jason_V on 10/23/09 at 3:13pm OLD SCHOOL#6 wrote on 10/23/09 at 3:04pm:
Why is there no more E vs W? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hogracer3d on 10/23/09 at 3:16pm Flag-- OK, so if we show up for work tomorrow and the Boss says, I'm going to cut your pay in half and your going to have to wear pink underwear on the outside of your pants. And your reply is, but I just bought black underwear 5 weeks ago because you said we had to have them, and I spent my extra funds on those. Then the boss says, thats why I'm going to have to cut your pay in half to make up for it, and that was 5 weeks ago, and things have to change. I suppose we are to say-- Oh OK, that makes sense to me, Thanks alot, and see you tomorrow?? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Patch on 10/23/09 at 3:18pm OLD SCHOOL#6 wrote on 10/23/09 at 3:04pm:
I know, There really hasn't been for the last couple years with only a handfull of guys willing to travel. I'm just saying it's not Chris's fault. He could of just as easily said Bummer for you guys I've got enough classes here at SMS. But you're welcome to build a car to run in one of them. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by FASTMIKE on 10/23/09 at 3:41pm flagdude wrote on 10/23/09 at 2:51pm:
Steve Foust from Bako won his class last year.....like a 162mph avg.! |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by chevcamarolvr on 10/23/09 at 3:54pm What some of you are calling complaining can be better described as concern for a division they care about. Some of you don't understand (since you have not been involved in it) the reaction to what is happening. No one could foresee what happen the last few months. After last season the drivers worked hard, submitted rule ideas, made up a ballot and voted to rework the rulebook for another 3 years. They have been use to being the ones who control their destiny, until now. So if they are concerned, they have a right to be. As do those who are in the process of finishing their cars as quick as they can. Maybe you should put yourselves in there shoes for a minute. Lets play a little game ------------ How about either one of these scenerios: Attn: all Factory Stock drivers, next season you will no longer be able to run an American made car, they must be imports. or Attn: all Modified Drivers, next season you can only run leaf spring suspensions and you must weight 2900 lbs. What is the first thing that comes to your mind???? The drivers in the S/S division have every right to voice their opinions, I'm not saying they should get everything they want but they should at least be heard. And hopefully a happy medium is acheived so that both sides can meet in the middle and this great class can continue to grow. Just like you, (if your a race car driver/owner) they have a lot invested in this racing thing called a hobby!!! So before you want to write another quit whining and crying post, stop and look at it from the other side. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by mijo4 on 10/23/09 at 5:53pm hogracer3d wrote on 10/23/09 at 3:16pm:
IS CK YOUR BOSS?- ONE IS A JOB AND THE OTHER IS FOR RECREATION- BIG DIFFERERENCE. NOT A GOOD ANALOGY IMO MIJO |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hogracer3d on 10/23/09 at 6:00pm IMO, everything is business in one way or another. a marriage, a job, a kid, life I expect as much out of it, as i put in Just some you elect to do, and some you are obligated to do |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Late_Model_Mark on 10/23/09 at 6:41pm Super Streets are alive and well here in the South. At Whynot Motorsports Park opening night of the Fall Classic, among the 180 cars in the pits is a super strong turnout of 46 Super Streets. All of these cars for a $1000-to-win show! While the West continually grumbles about rules and track conditions, the boys down here are happy and just race, what a concept. Mississippi is the second poorest state in the USA. Late Model Mark |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hogracer3d on 10/23/09 at 7:12pm Enid, OK is $10000 to win, and had about 80 cars. Pevely, MO's Fall Nationals had over 70 cars, and paid our good friend Kent Nations driving his #50 Motsinger Chassis (sister car to ours) $5700 so what's the point? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Chad11 on 10/23/09 at 7:16pm chevcamarolvr wrote on 10/23/09 at 3:54pm:
Neither of these situations compare to the situation the super street guys are in. They can ALL still run their cars as is except for tires. The first problem is that the drivers made the rules, so the rules only suited the drivers that were currently in the division. This caused less and less people to want to get involved. Now maybe with a promoter taking a stand, and somewhat dictating what he wants his super street class to be, the division could grow. Again none of these guys should have to change their cars as drastically as you insinuate in order to compete. Are there more hobby guys interested in this class more now with these rule changes? How about modified guys, are any of you guys curious about the division, now that you can use the same tires and drive train that is in your mod? My guess is these rule changes have generated more interest in the super street division. It may not turn into better car counts the first night out, but I believe it will in the long run. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by 32MORGAN on 10/23/09 at 8:36pm CHAD11, I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT ANYBETTER. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by chassieguy on 10/23/09 at 9:21pm The rules change makes it easier for a IMCA Stock guy to race this class. All I need to do is change carb and can be probably a top 5 car with out having to buy 600 dollars in tires. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 10/23/09 at 9:27pm SMS VIDEOS wrote on 10/23/09 at 1:54pm:
this was done at bakersfield speedway in '06. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 10/23/09 at 9:30pm chassieguy wrote on 10/23/09 at 9:21pm:
let's see... 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8......... yea probally could, top 10 for sure LOL |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Bap33 on 10/23/09 at 11:39pm just go with full IMCA rules for SS. My opinion. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by flagdude on 10/24/09 at 8:29am Hogracer, if the Boss says you gotta wear pink underwear on the outside of your pants, then yup, it's his sandbox, and you gotta wear pink underwear...... it sucks, but if Chris tells me I gotta wear pink underwear when I flag at HIS racetrack, then you will either see me in pink underwear (not a pretty sight) or you will not see me at all (my choice). And as for the comparison between Swindell and Chris Kearns, I have worked for both of them, and Chris beats him as a better person, boss, and gentleman than Swindell hands down. I will continue to work for Chris, and I quit Swindell after one season. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hogracer3d on 10/24/09 at 10:51am True, since it's his sand box. But if he treated you like that, he would likely find himself in a discrimination or labor lawsuit so fast it would make his head spin. And he would loose, then be lucky to have his sandbox for another year. Again, just a anaolgy |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Chris Kearns on 10/24/09 at 11:33am flagdude wrote on 10/24/09 at 8:29am:
Good to know! |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hogracer3d on 10/24/09 at 11:42am A pink underware'd flagman would put butts in the stands lol |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Missle Motorsports on 10/24/09 at 11:44am So if you build a SS under the New SMS 2010 rules, is that car now locked into racing @ SMS only, or would that car be Legal to race at other Calif. Tracks, under their current E/W Style Rules still? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hogracer3d on 10/24/09 at 11:44am chassieguy wrote on 10/23/09 at 9:21pm:
OK, but 20 other cars do have to buy $600 in tires to race |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by mijo4 on 10/24/09 at 12:17pm ..... it sucks, but if Chris tells me I gotta wear pink underwear when I flag at HIS racetrack, then you will either see me in pink underwear (not a pretty sight) or you will not see me at all (my choice). WOULD THAT BE A THONG OR JUST GRANNYS- ROFLMDAO MIJO |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by mudslinger47 on 10/24/09 at 12:25pm mijo4 wrote on 10/24/09 at 12:17pm:
You would be the one wanting to know that, now wouldn't you!! LOL Duane |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 10/24/09 at 2:18pm Missle Motorsports wrote on 10/24/09 at 11:44am:
these are sms rules only at this point. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Meneley1 on 10/24/09 at 2:30pm So once again, I assume heads & intakes are now allowed to be ported? Shaft rockers are legal? Any size carb? Weekly division? Completely open except for steel heads, block & solid cams? Are these rules official or will there be more changes before the 1st race next season? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hschamp90 on 10/24/09 at 5:37pm It should definitely be clarified that it's no porting of heads & intake. If not all that does is increase costs for the racer. For an EvsW car they have too buy at least (6) tires, buy a new gear, intake and a 4bbl. $1500 dollars!!!! |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 10/25/09 at 11:11am I want to thank CK for getting the rules out early. It would be normal for the rules to be posted well after the promoters workshop and all the racers caping on the short notice. Like the rules or not, all posts should start with a thank you. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Sparky56 on 10/25/09 at 11:54am Thank you CK. Any motor over 365" on a 4bbl. should be 3150#. That's fair for the 2bbl. guys........... |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Meneley1 on 10/25/09 at 12:01pm These are the rules, everything goes. Like Bauer said at least the rules are out early with plenty of time to build for next year. At least we got that. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Schweitzer_82 on 10/25/09 at 8:12pm Tires are Cheaper = that's a plus and everyone freaked when American Racers were being trashed like 4 years ago for Hoosiers in the IMCA's but they got over it. The engines are cheaper to build. You can find any good modified motor on here or anywhere.. The Tranny is going to be cheaper as well .. As an investment at first its going to cost yes but in the run its going to be cheaper. Modified guys will be able to cross use rims and tires as well as motors and trannys if something happened. A lot of people get all worked up when they hear 4bbl and think they can't keep up... IMCA Tire is smaller and breaks traction a lot easier than the Dirt Bozz. More power to those tires just means your going to spin the tires and get passed. Street Stocks win big open shows that allow 4bbls with 2bbls cause if the track is dry slick that 4bbl is going to make you go backwards. Don't get worked up CK is doing something about it to attempt to save a division that has been a 12 - 18 car division for 5 or 6 + years now. I'm sure Scott is going to follow with the same rules. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 10/28/09 at 8:12am Schweitzer_82 wrote on 10/25/09 at 8:12pm:
Then why allow them ?? If a 2bbl on big c.i. is good enough, then why confuse the issue with a 4bbl......??? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by hogracer3d on 10/28/09 at 8:57am I'd like to know who moved this thread over here, and why? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by mighty16x on 10/28/09 at 9:50am its just like the ss class Dave, swept aside. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by LMR on 10/28/09 at 12:35pm Sorry guys. I assumed the thread had slowed down enough to keep it off the first page of Saturday Night Racer, so I moved it to the SMS section so it would be easier to find for additional discussion. I moved all of the rules discussions here for the same reason. I just though it would be easier to find all of these threads instead of having to dig back to past pages on SNR. Not trying to minimize the discussion. Is that cool? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Chris Kearns on 10/28/09 at 7:27pm OLD SCHOOL#6 wrote on 10/28/09 at 8:12am:
1) So they over power the tires 2) I was told 4 bbl is harder on the motor. Hopefully this will keep guys from buying high dollar, lightweight bottom ends |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by fromthegrandstands on 10/28/09 at 8:38pm Quote:
LOL I never look at the TRACK THREADS - I wondered what happened to the RULES Discussions... Only STUMBLED on it here!! |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 10/28/09 at 9:02pm Chris Kearns wrote on 10/28/09 at 7:27pm:
1) You have opened up the c.i. rule. Cars with big engines and 2bbl carbs will not have a problem over powering the harder tire compound. I have seen the engines of the past (365 c.i.) with 2bbl carbs over power tracks that just slick off a little (with the medium compound tire). That is why I say why a 4bbl ?? 2) You are very correct, a 4bbl is harder on a motor, which means a guy "must" buy higher dollar bottom end parts, whether they buy "light" stuff or not just kinda depends on personal preference. Please don't take this as a personal attack on you. I think you made a reasonable decision changing the tire, and doing so there was no reason to change the engine rule because it will take a lot "less" motor to use them. This is one of those deals where you and I just have two different points of view, I just hope everything works out for the best....................jmo |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by smart_guy on 10/29/09 at 2:14pm i have a feeling if we get some hooked up tracks next year, people will be wanting that big cubic inch with a 4bbl....maybe not so much for when they throw in a dry slick, but ifs its hooked up and slinging clay i would think youd want a big motor with a 4bbl....its not like SMS goes dry slick every week like some other places around the country do ;D |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 10/29/09 at 3:23pm Hey smart-one ........ you really do crack me up sometimes. I'm sure your "feelings" about big motors and 4bbl's, comes from all your years behind the wheel of a race car at SMS. Were you there when the G-60 tire was tested? Did you notice that the track was as good as it can get? Did you hear the test driver when he said he could "not" use all the motor he had (365c.i. with 4bbl)? With the new tire rule in 2010 there is no need for big motors "or" 4bbl's, they will be a problem.................. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Chris Kearns on 10/29/09 at 6:32pm OLD SCHOOL#6 wrote on 10/28/09 at 9:02pm:
Dont worry Oldschool, your name says it all. Just kidding. Anyways, no worrys, I disagree with people all the time, or they disagree with me is more like it. Anyways, if it doesnt work, I guess everyone can blame me. I believe it will work though and our car count will go up. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by 32MORGAN on 10/29/09 at 9:37pm OLD SCHOOL#6 wrote on 10/29/09 at 3:23pm:
old school, i disagree with you.......lets look at the 2bbl motor as it was ..limited cubic inch, and 2bbl. required 10-20 thousand dollars to make 475 to 500 hp. THAT'S A PROVEN FACT. THE SS HAVE PROVEN THAT. JR MOTORSPORTS sells a 383 on a 4bbl that will do that for around 7500. and i think that with a little horse trading i can build on for half that, but we will see. i will be racing a ss in 2010 and i believe the rule changes are helping to make that possible. JMO i would like everyone to get the f*** over it and see if maybe we can build the class instead of all this B.S. oldschool, if you were putting togather a ss, what 500 hp motor do you think you would rather pay for? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 10/29/09 at 10:10pm So a guy gets down the straight away with a big CI motor and the 4 barrel kicks in and breaks the tires loose, has to lift then peddle it again the guy with a 2 barrel, his motor keeps pulling to about 7200 RPM, smooth acceleration never breaking traction(sp) and out deeps the big motor into the corner...... |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by 32MORGAN on 10/30/09 at 7:45am ya buddy, that's what the WHEEL-MAN'S for. this is not a entry class, the old EvsW had some of the best drivers around and imo that's what made it great.(not the rules)(or the tire)(or the 2bbl). jmo the new tire will have it's challenges with grip, nothing to do with eng, and every driver would rather have extra power then not enough. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 10/30/09 at 8:29am 32MORGAN wrote on 10/29/09 at 9:37pm:
I guess my answer would be, I would want a motor with some built in "reliability" ( a word nobody has addresed yet). We'll see how these JR Motorsports engines hold up pulling around an extra 550 lbs. Not saying they can't, just saying this could be interesting............... |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by 32MORGAN on 10/30/09 at 9:17am i understand reliability, may only concern for my motor is it needs to stay togather(forever would be my wish). the lack of traction in the tire should be enough to offset that loss. a aftermarket standard weight crank (IMO) is stronger then the atfermarket 32-40 lbs cranks that are running now and require to be run with the 2bbl. when timmy tested the imca tire he commented on the lack of forward bite, so you would think that it should be easier on our motors, yet to be seen. the 10- 20 thousand dollar motors that are out there now don't blow up. most all of the new cars i know of coming oout in 2010, won't have more than 3-4 grand. in this case you may see a few more motor issues related to using cheaper parts and less labor. not the rules. i'm sure the guy with his 20,ooo dallor 4bbl motor will be just fine |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 10/30/09 at 10:59am I think you are looking in the right direction when you talk about reliability, although the 32-40 lb cranks don't "have" to be run with a 2bbl, just ask the LM guys, they all use them in those $30,000.00 pieces, I do think a heavier crank will pan out better for ya' in the long run. One of my biggest concerns with the big motors and 4bbl's is there will be guys out there that can not "hook" the power and there will be car controll problems. The Modified class is starting to develop a "crash fest" attitude and I think it is becuase a lot of the guys have more power than they know how to handle (and the fact that a lot of the guys know nothing about the sophisticated rear suspension). The racing was better back when the motors were less exotic and there actually "was" claiming going on. Time will tell.......... On another subject ------ Really glad to see you are moving into the SS. The class needs cars and I'm sure you will bring a quality team and be an asset to the division. Good luck to ya' in 2010............ |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by 32MORGAN on 10/30/09 at 11:54am thanks for the compliments, old school. you can't take the squirell out of new racers, we just have to develop. the better racers have the patients and set-up, driving skills to over come it most of the time. stuff does happen and when the ss class take off and car counts get to 30-40 like the mods the wrecks will happen. don't look for it to much next year with lower counts and not as many new drivers. hope you stick around, maybe you can crew wtih me. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 10/30/09 at 1:25pm Don't know about the "crew" part, but beware I will have my eye on everyone...............lol.. Again - good luck in 2010.............. ;) |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by sj_valley_dave on 10/30/09 at 3:16pm This will be interesting to see what happens..I still think this $20,000 SS engine is someone exagerating what they have in it or someone who got bent over when they bought it...IMO. In 06 we looked at getting a 4.125 Dart block with a 38 lb Bryant crank, piston guided rods, 15:1, Honda journal, maximum angle cut Dart heads that dynoed at 525 hp with a gauge legal Willy's 4412 from an engine builder in NC and we were looking at $15,000. Absolutely pushing the rules to the limit. We ended up with a 358" that had a 48 lb LA Billet with Carillo rods, etc. Some things used some new, had $9,000 in it and it dynoed at a honest 470 hp, ran it 1400 laps with zero problem! Never was clearly out horsepowered in the EvW. Handling was the deciding factor most of the time. In fact we relied on the engine's HP quite a bit of the time!! LOL Just so tired of hearing this $20,000 number thrown about! |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by 32MORGAN on 10/30/09 at 4:24pm sjv d , you make good points. that is the extreme and i'm over it just defending the fact that i beleive the new rules will allow more people to race in this class as well as those that already invested into the 2bbl stuff. it's my opinion that becuase of all the money racers are skipping the ss and going straight to imca mods, mostly because there's no car count and motor costs. now the motor, trans, rear gears and even tires are the same costs. somewhat of a latteral move back and forth, but only time will tell. something did have to change and i dont think many disagree with that. i read your advise on 4m and hear and resect your thoughts. kirk |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by smart_guy on 11/02/09 at 12:15am OLD SCHOOL#6 wrote on 10/29/09 at 3:23pm:
funny, i've never heard of a mod being on a 2bbl? ::) |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by steph on 11/02/09 at 1:15am smartguy wrote on 10/29/09 at 2:14pm:
Thanks for pointing out the obvious for us ;D |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by smart_guy on 11/02/09 at 7:48pm o, anytime...lmao!!! ;D |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Meneley1 on 11/02/09 at 9:16pm Do you have a SS or any other car smart guy? |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Ian on 11/02/09 at 9:26pm wrote on 11/02/09 at 9:16pm:
he's only allowed to ride the short bus... But I think he's saving up for a smart car... ;D |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Meneley1 on 11/02/09 at 9:40pm Now that's funny right there! ;D |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by smart_guy on 11/03/09 at 1:34pm for a smart car......lol.... yah right......i'd buy a moped before i ever bought a smart car....might be fun though to take a smart car to the fairgrounds as a tough truck when they have the monster trucks shows though...lol |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 11/09/09 at 8:28pm sj_valley_dave wrote on 10/30/09 at 3:16pm:
that would be 4 someone's |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Chad_E._Jeffreys on 11/12/09 at 12:37am This is not an opinion, it's a fact, the 4 barrel carb rule will kill this class. I'll take just a minute to explain. The guys that don't have a real solid rotating assembly will put the 4 barrel on to defend themselves, and POW, we're going yellow for another blown engine in turn 4..... mark my words, I've tried it and it's a big BOOM. Not to just the racers but to the class as a whole as well as many loyal fans. Again, just a proven FACT. Chad You must know more than all the experts I have talked to. And I thought they were all pretty smart people. Oh well ! |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by sj_valley_dave on 11/12/09 at 11:59am Well Tim, it might be 4 or 6 or how many ever....hard costs are hard costs, and like I stated before, they're either getting bent over on what they are getting charged or they are exaggerating for whatever reason...IMO |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by 32MORGAN on 11/12/09 at 11:59am Chad_E._Jeffreys wrote on 11/12/09 at 12:37am:
it only took 7,500 to 21 grand to keep the 2bbl motors togather. lol and that's a fact too. how do the modified guys keep it togather? that class is dead, right? i just don't get it, the whole drive train is proven in the mods for years. the mods are where all the future ss racers have gone. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 11/12/09 at 6:41pm 32MORGAN wrote on 11/12/09 at 11:59am:
i might be wrong but the mods are lighter than the ss and are running on a hard tire which the sms ss are going to. we will have to see. |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by Chris Kearns on 11/12/09 at 7:45pm After talking to engine builders, sanctioning bodies and very expierenced racers, here is what I came up with. 1) 4 Barrell isnt really harder on motor, more horsepower from the 4 barrell is. But more horsepower from anything is harder on an engine. 2) Modifieds are lighter, but they have alot more traction. Traction is tough on motors. 3) Harder tires on Street Stocks will take traction away. 4) 4 barrell engines will take traction away. 5) If guys feel that a 4 barrell is harder on there bottom end, then they will buy heavier, CHEAPER, rods and cranks and save money !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 6) Didnt see a lot of 4 barrel Modifieds have oil pan failure this year at Santa Maria and I believe there were some very hooked up nights. Thats the best I could do. As far as 4 barrels killing the class. That is just a rediculous statement. Espesially saying that it is "Fact" I think Michael Frazier has already pointed out that A LITTLE MORE POSITIVE ATTITUDE SURE COULD HURT THE STREET STOCKS |
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Title: Re: 2010 WEST COAST STREET STOCK RULES Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 11/13/09 at 8:57am Hey CK -- You know I appreciate your concern for the SS car count, and am behind you with most of the rule changes you have done to try to generate "new" competitors. You also know I am not a fan of the 4bbl for this class, so lets talk........ Line one of your post...(first sentance) 4 Barrell isnt really harder on motor, more horsepower from the 4 barrell is. If I read this correctly, your saying "it's not the 4bbl that is harder on the motor", it's just the power that it builds that is harder on the motor..........hummmmmm ......oooooooook......???? Next sentence ... But more horsepower from anything is harder on an engine. OK -- I'm going to agree with you all the way with this statement, and with a 2bbl being probably the best way of limiting horsepower, thus limiting stress on the motor, wouldn't that be the "only way to go"??? All this talk about horsepower should be a mute point anyway with the new tire rule. Why go for more....???? When it comes to saving money on engines, unless you are willing to go to something like "crates", then you can not control it by changing rules. The guys with money "are" going to spend it (and brag about it), and the guys that don't have the bucks will do what ever they can and continue to complain that they can't beat the high dollar motors. This scenario has been around forever, and I don't think it will ever change. (again--unless crates were mandated) Finally, I wish everyone would stop comparing the SS to the IMCA Mods. Just because they share a similar motor means nothing. There is "NO" comparison between the two cars, and I do believe the motors in the SS really know they are carrying around an extra 550 pounds.........so I guess it stands to reason a Mod motor should stay together better, it's called "less weight" = "less stress"..... Just some of my "Old School" opinions, and I still hope everything does work out for the best.................. |
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