Post by fromthegrandstands on 08/23/09 at 10:54am
So, I was bored and photo clipped the video (Click image for a large view) LOL
Man it's hard to get decent images from a YouTube video - I still can't tell WHO'S who!! lol
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http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Tracks >> SANTA MARIA RACEWAY >> SMS 8-22-09 http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1250998366 Message started by fan_of_4p on 08/22/09 at 8:32pm |
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Title: SMS 8-22-09 Post by fan_of_4p on 08/22/09 at 8:32pm heat 1 5k.11x.10n.77.57.27x.22 heat 2 4.27.111.75.46.32b.8L.h3.8.5x.91p.96.66.12k(dnf) dash 4.5k.8.5x (dnf) very good race results courtesy of Sara |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by fan_of_4p on 08/22/09 at 9:32pm she thinks it is 5k,27,12k,11x,10n |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 08/22/09 at 11:51pm Stewart set fast time and won the dash! With a small motor? (correction: Lowery FT) Track was hooked up! Probably fastest I've seen this year. Drake on the pole, Lowery took lead from outside poll. caution flies . Lowery takes lead again on complete restart. Has controlling lead into lap traffic. Drake running his usual high line but gaining nothing on # 8. Into lap traffic... when it gets crowded going down the backstretch and into 3. Off 4 everyone trying to split the 66 car for the second time the 66 who is off the pace, gets out of shape in front of the leaders. Lowery gets collected and Drake gets through up high with front end damage that would later cause him to give up the lead and enter the pits for repair. Kirby takes control and not challenge to the end.... Video through the first pileup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKqiCqgTk4A |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by Jason_V on 08/23/09 at 12:33am Great video. Too bad the wreck happened. That 8 car was flying and the 4 car was fast too. |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by Matt_8 on 08/23/09 at 12:48am NAILIT wrote on 08/22/09 at 11:51pm:
Lowrey fast time with a 14.1..Stewart with 14.2... |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 08/23/09 at 6:39am Sorry, I thought Jerry had FT |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by fromthegrandstands on 08/23/09 at 10:07am That looked like some real good racing going on..right up until the wreck. It looked like every lap the race got tighter and closer...it was hard for me to tell by the video, but were they trying to SPLIT a Slow Car? |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 08/23/09 at 10:13am The 66 had been lapped once or twice. cars started to stack up behind him off of 2 and into 3. through 3 and off 4 they were cars going high and low to get around him. The car on the outside gets loose coming off 4 and gathers it back up while making contact with the 66. We have seen this before The 66 is usually off the pace and has been for years now. As a fan, I'm not happy about it. It's been going on for years..... |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by fromthegrandstands on 08/23/09 at 10:54am So, I was bored and photo clipped the video (Click image for a large view) LOL Man it's hard to get decent images from a YouTube video - I still can't tell WHO'S who!! lol |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by 29B Crewman on 08/23/09 at 11:57am NAILIT wrote on 08/23/09 at 10:13am:
The 66 car would still get lapped if he ran against the factory stocks! |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by Jason_V on 08/23/09 at 1:00pm It is the 91P on the outside of the 66 and the 46 on the inside. I think that it was the first SLM race for the 91P car and he did a great job. The slower car just caused a huge wreck that took out too many of the fast cars. |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 08/23/09 at 1:02pm My son took the video with cell phone so the clarity is not all that great. |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by fromthegrandstands on 08/23/09 at 1:09pm Quote:
If the ORANGE and Dark (Brown/Black) car is the 66, HOW did he cause the wreck? He wasn't SIDEWAYS He DIDN'T crash into anyone? He was HIT from a car on the high side, that knocked him into a car that came off (4) right next to the TIRES (Too Low) HE GOT SCREWED by faster cars! |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 08/23/09 at 1:16pm HE WAS BEING LAPPED FOR THE SECOND TIME IN ABOUT 6 LAPS. THEY STARTED GETTING STACKED UP BEHIND HIM COMING OFF TWO. HE CAUSED THE WRECK BECAUSE HE RUNS ABOUT 40 MPH SLOWER THAN THE FIELD. AGAIN THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS WITH THE SAME CAR..... |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by ST_ODIE on 08/23/09 at 1:32pm From Video posted to me it look like the white car on the out side gets into the 66 car So WHo caused the wreck? MAYBE SOME ONE COULD GO HELP HIM (66) OUT OR would that be too big off someone to help him out from my understanding he is a on a budget program BTW it doesnt matter he was getting Lap thats why the Fastest guys need to have more patiance with the slower guys |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by mijo4 on 08/23/09 at 2:23pm [quote author=5C4344524A2B0 link=1250998366/0#2 date=1251010270]Stewart set fast time and won the dash! With a small motor? ITS SMALL COMPARED TO MOST MOTORS THAT WE RACE AGAINST, ONLY A 377 MOTOR MIJO P.S. FROM THE VIDEO IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS NOT THE 66 CARS FAULT - JMO |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by mijo4 on 08/23/09 at 2:28pm Jason_V wrote on 08/23/09 at 12:33am:
WE FOUND OUT THE MOTOR DOES NOT GET GOOD GAS MILEAGE- LOL GOTTA GIVE PROPS TO CHRIS AND CREW FOR A WICKED FAST TRACK. MIJO |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 08/23/09 at 2:33pm It was his fault because he was so far off the pace that the cars never should have bee stacked up behind him in the first place.... I realize the 91 got out of shape and come down into him but like I said he was being lapped for the second time in about 6-8 laps. you got guys down on the apron trying to go around the 66 and to avoid getting ran over from behind. Papich whiskied the throttle coming off and got loose but he had guys on his a$$ too JM opinion..... |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by steph on 08/23/09 at 3:38pm If the guy is racing on a budget.. then maybe he should step down to a class where he can race against cars with a budget like his own. He is way to slow for that division. The 91 did get into him a little bit trying to get around the 66, but it is mainly the 66's fault for the speed he was going and causing everyone to bunch up behind him. I though Papich did a pretty good job for his first race in a LM. |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by Matt_8 on 08/23/09 at 3:46pm Speaking of first timers. Congrats to Wayne Dotson driving the 8L car. Cars a little tore up but he improved so much throughout the night. Hope you had fun. |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by ST_ODIE on 08/23/09 at 4:01pm steph wrote on 08/23/09 at 3:38pm:
THE ALMIGHT $$$ SPEAKING AGAIN THE Dollar is always a factor again It dosent matter on budget GO HELP THE GUY OUT not be pissed at him and not help him. WOULDN"T HELPING HIM OUT SOME MAYBE MAKE FOR A BETTE RACE BTW Looking a video It doesnt matter, if the other driver were paying attention. they would/should have know he was slower and running the low line /holding his line |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by TALON75 on 08/23/09 at 4:15pm Jason (91p) definatley played a part in the wreck and his car was wicked tight , but the 66 isn't just slow he cannot hold a consistent line even at a slower speed, jason tried to go around him high going into three and the 66 pushed him up he had to lift twice for the guy and was really just trying to clear him . I really hate to see the cars get tore up, especially the front runners, but when you have a rolling road block on that fast of a track it becomes dangerous . it was Jason's first time and mine too, the track got a lot tackier for the main and really made the setup bad, that is why I made him come to the pits on lap 15 to make an adjustment and it was better but by that time the 4 and 11x were at the back and wanted to get by the 8L real bad, they were kinda beating on him and Jason was apart of the next yellow also so I had him black flagged to save the equipment and carnage(live to race another day!). I know the 66 is on a budget but he does spend a fair amount of money, put another driver in that car and it will go a lot faster than it does now, my personal opinion and I have said this for a long time is that he should not be in this class, but far be it from me to tell someone they can't race . I know if I were crewing on that car I would have had him black flagged, you have to be able to realize when it is just not working well and the 66 just seems to be ok with going way too slow . Odie, it has nothing to do with helping the guy, he just don't drive a latemodel the way it should be driven or even close too it, hell you have some free time and race car knowlegde maybe you could help him . ok I'm done, time too switch gears and go mod racing again . |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by fromthegrandstands on 08/23/09 at 4:24pm ....I think a LOST point is - IF the driver of the #66 has a LEGAL CAR, and is ENJOYING the racing, the way HE is racing - he SHOULD be allowed to race IN that class - and it's up to the other drivers to NOT drive THROUGH or RUN over him. Even if he IS a back marker WEEK in and WEEK out? I'm sure he is, and I believe he HAS BEEN for many years... yet HE KEEPS COMING BACK and apparently enjoying himself (I'm sure MORE when he doesn't get TORN UP) On nights when were are only 7-8 DLMs....I bet the #66 was ONE OF THEM! ...maybe what the class NEEDS is MORE cars/drivers like the #66, (A full 20 car main of cars like the #66...wouldn't that be a good thing?) |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by steph on 08/23/09 at 4:29pm ST_ODIE wrote on 08/23/09 at 4:01pm:
$$ is part of racing, you race in a division you can afford. 66 has supported SMS for years indeed, in return, he should know the track well enough to race at a faster pace. He really needs to pick his game up. |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by TALON75 on 08/23/09 at 4:33pm no, 20 DLM's going a fast as a factory stock would not be enjoyable at all!! hell even 40 DLM's going that slow would not be a good thing . I fully understand your point, Riccardi shows up almost every week, pays his entry just like everyone else and he is a racer at heart just like the rest of us, BUT... well if you don't see the problem then I am just waisting my time trying to explain it to you!! |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by Ian on 08/23/09 at 4:47pm ST_ODIE wrote on 08/23/09 at 4:01pm:
there is no helping him! his motor is simply UNDER POWERED! We can help him, but he needs to come up with the MONEY to buy a bigger motor to keep up! not to mention I think it's a leaf spring car with a stock clip. i respect that he loves to race... and I understand if your on a tight budget! but for every other racer's sake (and safety) step down to a class you can afford! PLEASE! |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by Ian on 08/23/09 at 4:50pm Papich was impressive for a first time DLM racer... hope to see him come back and continue to improve... #66 was going a lap down on lap 3. Kirby almost drilled him then... then, the leaders were putting the rest of the pack, Laney, Malcolm, Papich, etc a lap down while the 'being lapped' cars were putting the 66 a lap down... sure, the 66 was hit by papich... but if the 66 was a car 'on pace' even with the slowest guys out there, he wouldn't have been such a hazard. |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by steph on 08/23/09 at 4:51pm Ian, maybe you and your dad can do your part in "helping" him by giving him a good motor at a good price ;] Lol! |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by Matt_8 on 08/23/09 at 4:57pm Ian wrote on 08/23/09 at 4:47pm:
He just got Nick Bartels old car a couple months ago or maybe longer, they tried to help I believe.... |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by WESTCOASTDIRT on 08/23/09 at 5:04pm TALON75 wrote on 08/23/09 at 4:15pm:
Don't know the guy, but in alot of sanctioned races, events or series, if you can't meet a exceptable speed per the aboved mentioned, they will black flag you off the track for the most part. For it's unsafe for the competitors that are on the track, has nothing to do with helping someone out, they will do it to a high dollar team that have car troubles and can't keep the car going at a exceptable racing speed by the group running the show. JMO |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by Ian on 08/23/09 at 5:10pm steph wrote on 08/23/09 at 4:51pm:
Well, if he's willing to spend the money on a decent motor, we can build one... if anyone is looking for more power for a good price, please PM me and I can send you in the right direction! |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by fan_of_4p on 08/23/09 at 9:25pm who's car did Papich buy? |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by smart guy on 08/23/09 at 9:33pm one of steve drake's old cars is what i heard? :-? |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by TALON75 on 08/23/09 at 10:38pm The car was owned by Jim Biggs, Steve Drake drove it primarily. Give it a few races , and he will be competitive . |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by fan_of_4p on 08/23/09 at 11:02pm that Biggs owned car is bad ass.. it's always nice to see another car out on the track, I think it's the first time this year since he is helping his son in law now. |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by ministocker56 on 08/23/09 at 11:44pm that's a good car Jason bought , it's got plenty of power to , it still have the ford motor in it |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by TALON75 on 08/24/09 at 12:04am yes greg, minny minny horsepower with the blue oval . |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by formercrewguy on 08/24/09 at 7:55am hschamp90 wrote on 08/24/09 at 1:23am:
I'm glad YOU said it..............I get in trouble on here when I say that!!!!!....................lol |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by Jason_V on 08/24/09 at 9:35am Matt_8 wrote on 08/23/09 at 3:46pm:
Wayne Dotson & Jason Papich both did great for their first time in late models. Logan Drake was up to 3rd before some late race trouble. You can tell he is getting better each week. Carla Laney hung with the top 5 after she was lapped. She was running hard right behind Drake before they put all of the lapped cars to the back. |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by mudslinger47 on 08/25/09 at 7:07am I think you guys are way off base for bashing 66. Sure he is a lapper and I have lapped him many a time but I will tell you that he always kept his line pretty well. The thing I most confused about is, you are saying he was 40mph of the pace. It was a hooked up track and he was getting lapped on lap 3. Now you have a brand new LM driver, who on a heavy track, mis handling race car, almost spins and gets into a lapped car,66 on his own. The new LM driver cant pass the lapper that is 40mph slower and spins on heavy track and it is 66s fault who is holding his line and running his race? Please get a little realistic. I wasnt there but just becuase the guy is slow you cannot point fingers at him all the time. If 91p was that bad (car handling) he should of pulled off. Rookie mistake. Lord knows I made them. Chet. |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by Mrs.LM75 on 08/25/09 at 7:16am Very good post Chet. Chris |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 08/25/09 at 8:34am the 91P had to go high in the marbles to get around the 66. he throttled it coming off to try and get around the guy and got loose. Other cars were on the apron to get around him. If the 66 car was at minimun speed the other guys never would have been stacked up behind him....he's been off the pace for years... I think jam cars are cool in enduros but not in this class... JMO, I'm done with this..... Chris Hodapp..... |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by Jason_V on 08/25/09 at 10:10am I disagree with you Chet. I don't think that it was the 91s fault at all. Could you imagine being in your first late model race and lapping a guy on lap 6? I remember just a few weeks ago that Mike Kirby had to slam on his brakes coming out of turn 4 to avoid a slow, slow car. When there is that much difference in speed there is going to be problems. But what do I know? |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by FASTMIKE on 08/25/09 at 10:20am jason......you know a good lookin woman when you see one.....lol |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by TALON75 on 08/25/09 at 10:28am I am really not trying to bash Riccardi , just stating the obvious . now as to what chet posted your right 91p was a bit outta control on that turn trying to clear 66, car was ugly tight and i am sure you know the feeling(driver felt he could manage and until that point wasn't hurting anybody), we brought him him later to make adjustments and when it seemed like that wasn't enough improvement made the call to park it! I know when a car is just too foul to to even try . the difference is that when we return to the track we will be trying to improve, thru set up and driving skills, but that other car just seems to do the same thing every week . Chet you are also wrong in stating that the 66 holds a consistent line , the incident that Jason V. is refering to when Kirby nearly clobbered him he came outta 4 on the bottom and went all the way to the top and back to the bottom. |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by Chris Kearns on 08/25/09 at 12:07pm Jason was working turn 4, and I completly trust what he says he saw. 66 car was on pace to be lapped 7 1/2 times in that main event. Mike and I talked in the infield. I explained to him that, that is just to far off the pace with the Speed of these cars and it is my obligation as a Promoter to keep everyone safe and do my part in keeping Race cars from getting tore up. He agreed. He also said he should have pulled in, because he was having problems. It is not realistic to think that a Rookie or a Veteran can safely pass a car everytime, that far off the pace. Mike is a super nice guy and obviously a great supporter of the track. He is struggling with the set up of this new car. He and I will talk again and decide what a safe minimum speed is for Late Models at Santa Maria Speedway. |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by KidCrockett21 on 08/25/09 at 2:03pm I think it is the Tracks fault, Tony Allens Fault, 66 fault, 91p fault, the hooked tracks fault, Kearns fault, the rains fault, the Flagmans fault, ministocker56 fault, Turn fours fault and last but not least Latmodelracers fault for haven this site!LMAO JK ;) ;) :'( :'( :'( |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by mijo4 on 08/25/09 at 3:25pm KidCrockett21 wrote on 08/25/09 at 2:03pm:
WHEW-- I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO BLAME "CAMP WTF" AND ALL WHO WERE PRESENT THAT NIGHT- LOL MIJO |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by mudslinger47 on 08/25/09 at 4:23pm mijo4 wrote on 08/25/09 at 3:25pm:
HEY you put a sock in it till you learn to gas up the race car!!!! Run out a gas indeed!!! Who do you think you are? Rayburn? LOL ;D ;D ;D Duane |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by Ian on 08/25/09 at 5:07pm they probably wouldda had enough fuel if they'd known we were running a demo derby! I think we ran more caution laps than green laps! |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by mijo4 on 08/25/09 at 5:18pm mudslinger47 wrote on 08/25/09 at 4:23pm:
DUANE- IM THE TIRE MAN- LOL MIJO P.S. RAYBURN???? OUCH- LOL |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by mijo4 on 08/25/09 at 5:20pm Ian wrote on 08/25/09 at 5:07pm:
WE THOUGHT WE WERE AT MICHIGAN- PLAYN THE FUEL STRATEGY GAME- ROFLMAO- ALL IN ALL IT WAS A FUN NITE AT SMS MIJO |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by TALON75 on 08/25/09 at 5:25pm crockett zip it before I tell your uncle's your on LMR instead of working!! |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by mijo4 on 08/25/09 at 5:28pm TALON75 wrote on 08/25/09 at 5:25pm:
YEAH-- YOU HAVE AN ADMISSION TO PAY TO CAMP WTF THIS SATURDAY- LOL MIJO |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by Chris Kearns on 08/25/09 at 10:10pm KidCrockett21 wrote on 08/25/09 at 2:03pm:
Actually, if the engine was not blown up in the Heavy Hauler, none of this would of happened. On second thought, lets blame it on Tony Allen. |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by TALON75 on 08/26/09 at 12:15pm I take full responsibility, except for the heavy hauler! |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by steph on 08/26/09 at 1:07pm KidCrockett21 wrote on 08/25/09 at 2:03pm:
I think its Crockett's fault for being pit announcer. |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by KidCrockett21 on 08/26/09 at 3:36pm Yep that would be it! |
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Title: Re: SMS 8-22-09 Post by sm4 on 08/27/09 at 10:49am I used 12 gal of fuel in 25 green flag laps, aprox. 50 yellow flag laps. My last engine would use 4 gal in 30 lap main. Blame it on all that Danny Rich HP. Hell, over half the cars where parked in the end field on lap 24, I thought the race was over. |
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