Saturday Night Racer

Saturday Night Racer
http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl
Saturday Night Racer >> SATURDAY NIGHT RACER >> Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1239910801

Message started by Jon from Kings on 04/16/09 at 12:40pm

Title: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by Jon from Kings on 04/16/09 at 12:40pm

After receiving several calls from drivers we have decided to cancel the IMCA Mods this weakend 4-18-09. In the best intreset of modified raceing Kings Speedway has decided to go OUTLAW Modified racing. 1200.00 to win 100 to start, same payout that is already being paid at other tracks. With the catch of $200 extra on top of the purse to the first IMCA legal car to finish in the top 5. See everyone May 23 for the first OutLaw Modified show at Kings Speedway. More info will be posted on Monday April 20.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by sj_valley_dave on 04/16/09 at 1:45pm

Wow. Does it look like the IMCA mod deal has peaked? Is the modified racing scene starting to change and take on a new look?

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by 18racr on 04/16/09 at 2:16pm

Hardly any tracks here in oklahoma are IMCA ,,most are outlaw style mods. Everyone wants to go faster and loose the claim rule, They love it but fewer and fewer guys are stepping up into the class because of the cost, Most tracks here also have a B-mod(sportmod) class that runs aswell as the Full on run what you brung Mods..

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by fan_of_4p on 04/16/09 at 3:21pm

this could get intertesting???????????
the only problem is there is 3 WSM races in Tulare that month

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by robbySAWYER on 04/16/09 at 4:54pm

its still kings speedway... but congrats on trying something new... but its still kings

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by scottwoodhouse on 04/16/09 at 5:29pm

Robby...go check it out once this year.

The track has improved a lot! We had a good show there for the GJM.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by robbySAWYER on 04/16/09 at 5:40pm

oh i probably will, as soon as they pack the stands. ill see what your car count is for the first one and listen to feedback i am sure we will make one

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by J_Reeves_0 on 04/16/09 at 10:19pm

Kings is not only my home track but where I started racing. I have mixed feelings about this but what it comes down too is I have spoke at great lengths with Jon and Frank and we thought the best way to bring cars back was to show what they have done over the winter. Tom has done an awesome job on the track. This track was one of the premier tracks in the state and they have worked very hard to try and bring that back. Running the weekly shows after trying to rebuild after DS left the track in its condition was not working, so they have decided to try this to bring cars back to show them how hard they have worked on the track. They are trying to do whats best for car count. That is why they are looking at local schedules and only running on off weekends. This weekend I am running the IMCA WWMT down in Mohave, 1200 to win each night. Just my opinion, I have a racecar that I can take anywhere in the US and Canada.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by bluebyu on 04/17/09 at 8:33am

I raced twice at kings this year and the track was awsome both times. Well be back next week with some of our friends.

Hey Robbie Kings could say the same about you. lol

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by Wizard on 04/17/09 at 11:52am

Blue leave my boy alone....Freedom of Speech I love America.
HAHAHAHA :o

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by LanceAG on 04/17/09 at 12:36pm

Sounds like the beginning of the death spiral of the Frank and Jon era at Kings. At least the Swindler has some spare time on his hands; maybe he can come in an pick up the pieces.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by formercrewguy on 04/17/09 at 12:41pm

He tried to steal the grader.............I doubt he would be LET back.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by sj_valley_dave on 04/17/09 at 1:17pm

LOL!! Ya, I do not see them letting him back in, unless he had a new grader to give them...LOL....Why do you see the beginning of the end for the Frank and Jon era???? They have had a terrible turn out of mods this year and the track has been soooo much better. Tulare, Marysville and Chow are showing that the non IMCA mod deal is not a bad thing......Tom S at Chow ran mods w/o the IMCA kiss of approval and did very well with them for most of the yeras he was open......

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 04/17/09 at 1:36pm

wrote on 04/16/09 at 5:40pm:

oh i probably will, as soon as they pack the stands. ill see what your car count is for the first one and listen to feedback i am sure we will make one

Well Robby - let the promoter know you are going to grace their track with your presence and let him advertise it and the "Robby Factor" alone should pack the stands.......................or not !!!

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by fan_of_4p on 04/17/09 at 3:52pm

like I said earlier there is MORE to the story I'm sure. I do get to 12-15 tracks a year and around 50 races.

there a saying that comes to mind that goes " if you burn the bridge, it's hard to cross the water"

And for all you Robby fans out there, the printer is waiting for a part to come in, but when it does the cost is $15 for " Robby Sawyer"s #1 fan" shirt.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by dirt33 on 04/17/09 at 5:19pm

My observation from other parts of the country....

When a track dumps IMCA and opens up the rules for its modified class, it is the beginning of the end. Costs get way out of hand and it drives guys right out of racing.

Not saying that will happen for sure in CA, only stating what I have seen in the Midwest.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by FlatBlackMod15B on 04/17/09 at 6:23pm

i think its great, i wish all the tracks would drop imca and run wsm rules. i dont think it will kill the mods in cali, the majority of them want this.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by robbySAWYER on 04/17/09 at 6:31pm

dirt33 wrote on 04/17/09 at 5:19pm:

i agree with brad, the rules are the same except no claim, and tire grooving is alowed, it will not die cause of it being a non imca sanction... more money and you come home with what you went there with... its smart, tulare 40 cars chow 30 cars, those are large car counts...

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by WESTCOASTDIRT on 04/17/09 at 6:40pm

dirt33 wrote on 04/17/09 at 5:19pm:

That will never happen here, unless your running for Regional or National and racing every weekend and I don't see alot of that happen in CA.
The car counts and extra money will prove to be the ticket in this economy and going home with your motor and more money, seem like a winning combination. Mentioned to Bakersfield last yr to switch and tie in with Tulare open mod, but he choose to go with IMCA again.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by Noodle Motorsports on 04/17/09 at 11:04pm

1. Does anyone know how this will affect King's points for the mods?

2. Status Quo or will they start from zero on the first non-IMCA race?

3. Are the rules, as far as the car itself, the same? (besides claims and tire grooving)
4. Are any modifications required to go from IMCA to Outlaw?

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by AJ55 on 04/17/09 at 11:27pm

Better motors cost more money and no claim means more bucks in there motors

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by 14pGRT on 04/18/09 at 12:19am

theres not a competitive modified driver out there, IMCA or WSM, that does not have money in there motors...the money factor is regardless..

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by steve on 04/18/09 at 2:09am

14pGRT wrote on 04/18/09 at 12:19am:

theres not a competitive modified driver out there, IMCA or WSM, that does not have money in there motors...the money factor is regardless..

got a point! For the guy who asked about the rule changes, most of the "ouutlaw" mods run basically ump rules! Alluminum heads, and a quick change rearend, which in the end is over all cheaper than the 9inch! Have not heard of any one allowing all aluminum motors! Also better tire choices! The G-60 sucks!

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by steve on 04/18/09 at 2:16am

I also don't like engine claim rules or the crate late model rules either. I have always felt and believe that if you can't afford to run a division, don't run it. Why penalize the guy's who can. I would love to run a late model, but I can't afford it , so I race a modified.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by robbySAWYER on 04/18/09 at 7:03am

you can NOT run aluminum heads, you can grove your tires, you can run a spoiler, you can get a little more creative with the body but still basically the same. You still can not have aluminum parts on car. so pretty much the same darn thing. your motor can be a roller, thats the biggest difference.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by HRO 09 on 04/18/09 at 7:44am

The motors are the same amount of money to build just a few different parts inside, and no loser running a junk motor tailing the end of the field will ever be racing your motor at the next race still tailing the end of the field! Thats the difference between IMCA and UMP/WSM racing. Also there seems to be a higher quality field that generally shows up at the UMP/WSM races. Not putting down the quality of IMCA racers just the experince level.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by bluebyu on 04/18/09 at 7:53am

Funny some Arizona tracks just quit UMP and went to IMCA. Ya think they know something we have yet to learn. Crate lates just got cheaper to operate and there faster.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by WESTCOASTDIRT on 04/18/09 at 8:02am

HRO 09 wrote on 04/18/09 at 7:44am:

That is 100% on the money,lol, it been a long and hard road for racers in CA receiving good purse payouts and here in CA IMCA being called a weekly budget division per say has left racer on the short end of the payout for years on end and sky rocketing chassis and parts prices.
If the racers support this style of racing they will see the effect of thicker wallets, not empty wallets, itsn't a gold mine but its sure better than 35 to 50 to start. Everyone comes to race, but Tulare give back your 35.00 if you fail to make the show. That to me is promoting and shows that they are trying to improve racing for all.

IMCA at one time really paid well for racers to run their sanction, but if they want to keep their sanction alive then they need to work with promoters at the tracks that run their sanction and bring or find sponsorship to help provode a good and rewarding payout to teams that support the tracks and sanction, ifn't it will fail in CA for sure in my opinion.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by robbySAWYER on 04/18/09 at 8:07am

wsm payed 50 to those who didnt make the main...

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by WESTCOASTDIRT on 04/18/09 at 11:18am

wrote on 04/18/09 at 8:07am:

wsm payed 50 to those who didnt make the main...

Even better, must have increased the non qualifiers payout even more, the WSM site reflects $35.00

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by Rita_Holder on 04/18/09 at 12:12pm

Lets clear this up. It's $1200 to win $100 to start the A main, $50 to run the semi except the ones that transfer to the A main. $35 to show up even if you break hot lapping.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by WESTCOASTDIRT on 04/18/09 at 12:25pm

Rita_Holder wrote on 04/18/09 at 12:12pm:

Lets clear this up. It's $1200 to win $100 to start the A main, $50 to run the semi except the ones that transfer to the A main. $35 to show up even if you break hot lapping.

That is what I recall, thanks Rita for setting us straight.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by fan_of_4p on 04/18/09 at 12:47pm

wrote on 04/18/09 at 8:07am:

wsm payed 50 to those who didnt make the main...

oh Robby :-[ :-[ :-[

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by Bap33 on 04/18/09 at 3:35pm

wow ... short memories and deep pockets keep killing local level classes.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by threewideracin on 04/18/09 at 5:18pm

talked with john and kings is not going outlaw track,but will be hosting specific wsm ruled races and for the cars that are imca legal that place in the top 5 there will be a kicker added to your purce money. to clear the air hanford is still a imca track

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by 55X on 04/20/09 at 4:02pm

threewideracin wrote on 04/18/09 at 5:18pm:

Jon never said WSM rules. WSM really doesn't have any rules (really). At least none that they won't allow to be bent. Jon from kings, said "OUTLAW Modified racing". There is little difference, but the enforcement of the rules is everything. I have seen this open mod stuff come and go, but IMCA is still around because they have rule enforcement and entry level affordability base on the rules . Any?

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by robbySAWYER on 04/20/09 at 4:07pm

well jon from kings needs to get on here, and let us know what the rules are

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by dirtracer8 on 04/20/09 at 5:07pm

if kings is still imca how come they are not listed as a sanctioning track on imca .com go look for your self

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by Noodle Motorsports on 04/20/09 at 6:06pm

There was supposed to be more info today (4/20/09) from Jon. Checked King's website too, nothing!

So I still have questions:

1. Does anyone know how this will affect King's points standings for the mods?

2. Status Quo or will they start from zero on the first non-IMCA race?

3. Are the rules, as far as the car itself, the same? (besides claims and tire grooving)

4. Where can these rules be found? I saw WSM's rules but someone said it won't be WSM.

4. Are there major modifications required to go from IMCA to Outlaw?

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by robbySAWYER on 04/20/09 at 6:23pm

they never said it was going to be wsm, they just will be like chow and use their rules... which is smart...

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by Noodle Motorsports on 04/20/09 at 8:09pm

That's my point EXACTLY!!!

Something official would be nice...unless they're calling it "The CHOWTLAWS""

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by robbySAWYER on 04/20/09 at 8:56pm

jonfromkings???? can you help us out here?

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by RACEGLASS on 04/21/09 at 9:00am

Hey Bap...you are so right!

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by threewideracin on 04/22/09 at 10:07am

to dirtracer8 if you LOOK at the IMCA site youll see hanford is a OFFICIAL IMCA TRACK will always be. racers just need to come out and try the new racing surface that was prepaired over the winter,the reason kings was removed was a miscommunication at IMCA,hope racers will try out the new racing surface.

Title: Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Post by robbySAWYER on 04/22/09 at 4:22pm

would love to if we could here what the f^&$! rules are going to be