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Message started by JOHNSON MOTORSPORTS 1 on 08/28/06 at 8:41pm

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by JOHNSON MOTORSPORTS 1 on 08/28/06 at 8:41pm

well i agree that isnt right. im sorry but i guess if u need a radio to win or lead the points ur not a very good driver.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by racing_fan on 08/28/06 at 9:50pm

well well i just got a call i see the same guy even spun out the leader in the main and they still did'nt do anything about it

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by kk03heritage on 08/28/06 at 10:40pm

Being one of the SMS mini stock drivers I am going to comment on this thread, because overall we have a great bunch of drivers and sometimes inaccurate information causes or supports ill will, and I am confused on the cause and collect rule. I believe I know which night you are referring to about the DQ and the part being taken. It was an illegal part. The officials did their job.

The points leader does have an in car camera that he has been using most of the year, which is not illegal. There was a joke in the pits about a radio Sat. night, which is not true. The points leader has a good car and is a good driver.

The spin in the main event was rather unfortunate. You had the top three drivers in points bunched up and racing hard into turns 3 & 4. The 22x got a little loose and the 11 car caught his rear corner sending him around and down in front of me. I had no where to go except into the 22x. I bounced off twice and managed to maintain forward momentum. From my perspective during the race and watching the video afterwards, there were no intentions to be malicious. Just good hard racing and an incidental contact.

What I heard afterwards was that because I was involved I was sent to the back with the 22x regardless of whether or not I was able to drive through. Based upon what I thought I heard, the 11 car should have joined us at the back? Maybe the officials didn’t see the initial contact. I had the luxury of watching a video afterwards. My intent is not to criticize the officials, who perform a mostly thankless job. Those folks do a heck of job to the best of their abilities and without them we couldn’t race.

What I would like to see come out of this is a clear understanding of cause and collect between all of the officials and that shared with the drivers. Maybe it already has and it is just me that is confused. What happens if you spin yourself out to avoid contact and remain clear? Is there a difference between “bumping” and “running into” while maintaining forward progress relative to cause and collect? I realize the rule was put into place to minimize judgment. I am just looking for some clarity so we can get out there, race hard, and have some fun.

Ken Kehs
MS #00

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by racing_fan on 08/28/06 at 11:19pm

ant what i was told the 11 is using his cell phone to be able to talk with head set on plus the rear end in this car has been messed with you walk by the thing and you can tell the rear end is not in there straight it don't get like that by it's self the official's have told him that and to fix it and low and be hold it's back not fixed and still got to race if you think you going to tell me it ant i no i use to own a mini when the left rear tire is all most touching the quaterpanel tell's you something's up plus when you see a toyota the only 1 around throwing a flame out the pipe's something's up . plus people running bigger motor's then they weight

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by RACING-FAN on 08/29/06 at 7:45am

IT BLOWS ME AWAY WHEN PEOPLE SPREAD A BUNCH OF BULL OVER THE INTERNET AND HAVE ZERO PROOF OF WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT !!!! MR. KEHS HAS AN EXCELLENT POINT OF VIEW, HE EXPLAINED THE SCENARIO AND GAVE HIS OPINION. I FOR ONE AGREE WITH HIM ON PUTTING THE 11 CAR TO THE BACK IF HE WAS GOING THERE FOR THE SAME INCIDENT. I WAS AN OFFICIAL FOR YEARS AND YOU CAN'T SEE THEM ALL, MOST BUT NOT ALL. OFFICIALS LOOK AT 20 CARS AND NORMAL CREW GUYS LOOK AT THERE'S. AS FOR THE REAR END, GO AND ASK THE OFFICIALS IF THEY LOOKED AT IT AND IF IT WAS CHANGED. I WAS THERE ON THAT NIGHT HE BROUGHT IT BACK AND THERE WAS ATLEAST 3 DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH WHITE SHIRTS UNDER THAT CAR. AS FAR AS THE CELL PHONE.... GET REAL !!!! UNLESS YOU HAVE A RADIO BUILT IN TO THE HELMET, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO HEAR AT ALL. I COULD HEAR IT NOW TALKING TO THE CREW AND GETTING A CALL FROM YOUR WIFE AT THE SAME TIME.... CALL WAITING WOULD SUCK. DON'T HATE THE GUY BECAUSE HE IS DOING WELL . GREAT CAR AND BETTER DRIVER = CHAMPIONSHIP. DON'T HATE THE PLAYER ... LEARN FROM THE PLAYER. I HAVE TALKED WITH HIM AND YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO LEARN SOMETHING FROM PEOPLE LIKE THAT. KEN I HEARD YOU ARE A ROOKIE .... YOU MY FRIEND ARE DOING AN AWESOME JOB WITH LITTLE EXPERIENCE. ANDREW MOST PEOPLE WILL ONLY REMEMBER THE BAD SITUATIONS NEVER THE GOOD TIMES. GOOD LUCK ON THE REST OF YOUR GREAT SEASON. DON'T LET SOME IGNORANT PERSON TELL YOU ANY DIFFERENT.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by hogracer3d on 08/29/06 at 7:51am

they caught a cell phone and ear bud being used at RT66 a couple of years ago

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by TJWICK on 08/29/06 at 8:14am

I TOTALLY AGREE I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER RACING-FAN GREAT POST

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by Sinbad on 08/29/06 at 8:51am

I would think before anyone COULD make an accusation about others that they would at least have the FACTS and not their own twisted personal opinion. When ANY race car is running well there will always be somebody that cannot accept the fact that it could be done without cheating.

I personally know Greiman and he is a very skilled driver as I have raced side-by-side with him on several occasions. Rubbing and bumping are part of racing and cannot always be avoided when your racing with a bunch of adrenaline pumped race junkies, "S#*t Happens", that's racing. I would rather race with people like Greiman than read crap from someone like "racing_fan" any time...

“It's not the car, that wins races, it's the driver”. Andrew Greiman could take almost any car out there and make it win races.

I also think that the SMS officials do one hell of a job and they support and live by those rules every race night.

Get the facts before you make accusations about others!

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by heyyou#27 on 08/29/06 at 8:59am

could he win in that volvo?...lol

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by Sinbad on 08/29/06 at 9:11am

Well like I said, "almost any car" just kidding, he could probably make even the volvo perform with a little more H.P. Even the owner told me last month that it needed a few more ponies under the hood. By the way, that car looks awsome!

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by heyyou#27 on 08/29/06 at 9:53am

Car loks great......but dammm it seems to be just a rolling road block, is the car that slow or the driver?

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by Sinbad on 08/29/06 at 10:59am

I think the car is severely underpowered but it sure looks good on the track even if it is a road block occasionally.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by mrsflagdude on 08/29/06 at 11:15am

WoW!!!

Just to be clear, this is Kirstie Petersen and I am the Pit Manager. Many, if not all of you, know me; some know me better than others! As Mr. Kehs so accurately said, it CAN be a thankless job, but I choose to look at it from another point of view. It is my job to listen to the folks in the pits, and see what the issues are and try to resolve them. If nothing else, sometimes all that needs to happen is for both sides of the story to come out and then all the "rumors" seem to disappear. That's what I hope is going to happen now.'

I was approached Saturday with regard to the issue of #11 having a radio and/or phone in his car. I listened, and I watched, and I inspected. I notified the concerned parties that there was NO RADIO or other form of communication between the driver and his crew, period. In watching the reactions I got, I determined that people didn’t appear too happy with that answer. So, in the presence of another official, I took the earpiece from the crew person (he was listening to Metallica by the way!) and explained that I was trying to eliminate a rumor. The driver voluntarily put his cell phone into his tool box, where it remained the entire race. Neither the driver or the crew was at all offended; there is no REASON to be upset, and it was in their best interest to help prove that they aren't wired! So unless they are telepathic, there was NO communication with the driver during the race on Saturday night.

This happens every race season. People seem to need to find a reason to get the leader disqualified, even to the point of inventing things. I believe that this is now a non-issue, unless you'd like me to collect EVERYTHING from EVERYONE which might LOOK like it is a method of communication with the driver (wouldn't that include things like IPODS too?)

Yes, a car WAS DQ'd earlier in the season for illegal parts, which were confiscated. The reasons for the disqualification and confiscation were thoroughly explained to this driver. This individual told his side of the story to a former racer he works with and had HIM call the tech guy to plead his case. Once the other side of the story was told, this former racer understood the FULL story of why the part was taken and the car disqualified. The decision was made according to the rules and was entirely appropriate. If there is still some confusion, please read the rules. Under the section General Rules, Race Procedures and General Track rules;
"# 10 All cars will be subject to periodic inspections, throughout the season, at the discretion of the Chief Steward. Illegal parts may be confiscated." and
"10(b) No equipment shall be considered legal because it went through technical inspection unobserved or because a rule has not been written against it. Anything not covered in this rule book is still subject to approval."
I hope that clears up the issue of why the illegal parts were confiscated, even though they may have been allowed to run in previous races. Perhaps it's just that we have a tech official who knows what to look for, and what illegal parts look like? Isn’t this an official DOING his JOB?

I encourage EVERYONE to come to me with whatever issues you may have. If I don't HAVE the answer, I GET the answer. Just because you may not LIKE the answer doesn't mean it is a WRONG answer!

Things that happen in a race can be very upsetting and disappointing. I also appreciate that many people respond to disappointment with frustration and anger. That is not an excuse, however, to rant and rave and make threats of bodily harm and worse against others. Why should this kind of behavior be tolerated? We are all adults, and hopefully can discuss issues like the good people we all are. There are at least 2 sides to every story.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by mrsflagdude on 08/29/06 at 11:21am

The cause and collect rule can be hard to understand because it applies to so many diverse situations. If it would benefit everyone's understanding, why not ask the Chief Steward to clarify how the officials interpret and apply this rule? Is there a time when all the drivers and most of the officials are all in the same place so that the most people available can participate and benefit from this discussion? Would the "Manadatory Driver's Meeting; all drivers must attend" pit meeting be a good place to ask these questions and get answers straight from the horses mouth? Just a thought...

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by mrsflagdude on 08/29/06 at 11:27am

AS FAR AS THE CELL PHONE.... GET REAL !!!! UNLESS YOU HAVE A RADIO BUILT IN TO THE HELMET, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO HEAR AT ALL. I COULD HEAR IT NOW TALKING TO THE CREW AND GETTING A CALL FROM YOUR WIFE AT THE SAME TIME.... CALL WAITING WOULD SUCK.

People came to me with a complaint about 11 using radio/cell phone. In response to that complaint, I searched the car, the helmet, the racing suit, took the earpiece the crew guy was using to listen to Metallica, and had the driver lock his cell phone inside his tool box for the duration of the race. I did this BEFORE the race ever started, and in the presence of another official. #11 won the race, which should end the rumor that the only way he can win is to cheat with a radio/cell phone. BTW, (and I know someone else said this) The officials didn't "Catch him with it" later on; I took it so that if this issue came up as a reason he won the race, I would know FOR CERTAIN that there was no commuication with the driver.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by benstrans on 08/29/06 at 12:07pm

I had the best seat in the house to watch the #00 and 22 X as they vied for position.

In my humble opinion, it was just good racing, the contact was unavoidable and, had the 22x not spun, there'd have been no yellow. The #11 car seemed to be in front of the melee and I"m sure that's what the officials saw.

As for "roadblocks" they can be hazardous, especially when another backmarker is passing one. THAT's what caused the late race chain reaction resulting in some serious damage to several including the #27.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by MS_33 on 08/29/06 at 2:56pm

As for Greiman #11 Cheating with cell phones, I dont know or really care. Sounds like the officals did investigate the rumor . If they find wrong doing they will take care of it. As for the rear end, has anyone ever modified or moved parts away from the stock position. Everyone is trying to get an edge over the next car. I feel Greiman is a very skilled driver . I dont feel he is a very clean racer. This is my first season racing against him and I have not enjoyed it . I am not upset that he is winning in points. I am not upset that I cant keep up with him. It does bother me that if he bumps you its just racing, but if you bump him he runs straight to the officals. If some one is in his way he doesnt mind pushing them. It also bothers me that he feels that he can block your way in to the pits when he is upset with you. If two racers enter a hole and no one lifts and damage occurs whos fault is it? It would be nice to see Greiman race cleaner and stop complaining about everyone else. Andrew this is not nascar this is a ministock class, cars are known to touch one another in this class. As for the road blocks we were all road blocks once, I think they all hold there lines very well. If the faster drivers could handle there cars better and pay attention to whats going on in front of them less yellows would be caused by such road blocks. I dont have a problem passing them. You should not call them roadblocks they are just trying to do what they can with what they have. Dont forget every one this is a Mini stock class lots of racers learn to race in this class. After the race on Sat we watched a tape of the race and it did not look like slower cars caused all the yellow with Caswell and Wegial.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by racing_fan on 08/29/06 at 8:37pm

that all strighten out what about the rear end i no for a fact that he was told to fix it and never did you walk by this car and you can tell it's not in the car straight the bar's in this car have been played with as for spining the 22 out there is a thing called getting off the gas plus you'r going to tell me there was no offical watching the 2 front leader's that's hard to beleave

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by Jack_the_Bear on 08/30/06 at 10:45am

If you know for a fact, then why are you asking?

"AS FOR THE REAR END, GO AND ASK THE OFFICIALS IF THEY LOOKED AT IT AND IF IT WAS CHANGED. I WAS THERE ON THAT NIGHT HE BROUGHT IT BACK AND THERE WAS AT LEAST 3 DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH WHITE SHIRTS UNDER THAT CAR."

or one better, call them!
Here's the number!
Santa Maria Speedway
805-922-2233

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by dario on 08/30/06 at 12:15pm

greg there was a WHOLE bunch of us who watched my video sat night half the darn mini stock drivers were there lol. grieman did'nt maliciously ram justin it was a little nudge. it happens. i just dont understand why they sent ken to the back he didnt even spin. justin thought ken spun him at first until he saw the video. everybody will get over it. there was the incident earlier this year with justin and rob and while they were ticked at first rob and his wife were at bills shop watching the video with justin and bob so there doesnt seem to be any hard feelings.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by mrsflagdude on 08/30/06 at 12:53pm

racing_fan wrote on 08/29/06 at 8:37pm:

The appropriate way to deal with this issue is also stated in the rules; file a PROTEST!!!
PROTESTS

1. A protest in writing, by any owner or driver, on an approved Santa Maria Speedway protest form, along with $200.00 cash, may be filed with the Chief Steward within fifteen (15) minutes following the finish of the event. Protests will be settled by the ³Protest Committee². If the protest is upheld, the $200.00 fee will be refunded. If the protest is denied, the $200.00 will go to the SMS Driver¹s Benevolent Fund. In the event an engine tear-down is required, the only persons allowed at the tear-down will be the SMS Tech Inspectors and the car owner. Frivolous protests will be denied.

a. No protest will be accepted that is directed at a decision of an official, including but not limited to timing and scoring decisions, inspections and race procedure decisions.

b. Discussion as to official rulings, race procedures, etc. will be conducted with the driver only.

If you have a complaint about another person's vehicle, and feel that it is illegal, then file a protest. Put up your $200 like anyone else would have to and get the matter resolved once and for all!

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by RCR489 on 08/30/06 at 12:57pm

hey kirste.
are you going to be here this weekend?

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by kk03heritage on 08/30/06 at 1:35pm

dario wrote on 08/30/06 at 12:15pm:

Touché! It was just good hard racing with incidental contact.

I have had the opportunity to become more educated on the cause and collect rule. It does not matter if you spin or not. It does not matter if you come to a stop or not. What matters is whether or not you made contact with a car involved in the yellow. My understanding is that if you cause a yellow or contact another car in ANY fashion involved in a yellow flag you will be sent to the back. That is why, much to my dismay, I was sent to the back with Justin.

It doesn’t matter that I didn’t come to a stop or spin, because I did hit Justin (twice I believe). Driving through a yellow means driving through clean! It is also my understandings that if you stop or spin yourself to avoid another car (or cars) involved in a yellow and avoid contact that you will not be sent to the back. Hope this helps.

So, let’s go race and put all of this behind us!

Ken

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by hschamp90 on 08/30/06 at 2:47pm

DUDE's it's mini-stocks, GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I recommend LMR to close this post.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by Jack_the_Bear on 08/30/06 at 3:15pm

So what are you saying? Because it's pintos and toyotas, it's not real racing? Or less important because these drivers aren't shelling out tons of money?

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by flagdude on 08/30/06 at 4:18pm

If you spin under yellow, or while the track is yellow, you will be sent to the back...... It is clearly stated in the general rules, under yellow flags.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by Jack_the_Bear on 08/30/06 at 5:16pm

racing_fan wrote on 08/28/06 at 11:19pm:

when you see a toyota the only 1 around throwing a flame out the pipe's something's up

Let's put to bed another one of racing_fan's assumptions. Flame out of a tailpipe has absolutley NOTHING to do with an engines size. Hell, I could make my lawnmower throw flame if I wanted to. The flame represents unburned fuel, i.e., rich mixture, not engine size by any means. The 11 car is not the only car out there that does that anyway. I have seen the 00 do it as well. Since this class is a STOCK class, maybe this is a function of an un-tampered with toyota carb(running rich at wide open thorottle). These are not alcohol cars, more fuel does not mean more power. Maybe the toyotas that aren't throwing flame are the modified ones...huh?

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by racing_fan on 08/30/06 at 8:44pm

dario you no just as much as me but i was told today yes you can talk with ear phone's threw the cell phone . 1 other thing the racer's and crew should not have to put up a 200 protest if the offical's did there job . i'll tell you this yes it mite look stock under there being kinda dark under there come on now all you have to do is have a tape measure , plus i was told at my work why he don't race at ventura anymore by a person i no very well and he was told by someone who know's about the 11 car he don't race there anymore for 1 resine he cought dq . the only other car i've seen with that much steering in the rear of the car is when i helped on a dirt late model and as for some of you all all you do is bye a car allready done or build a car that's just a ok car i'll tell you this try building a good car from scratch with all new stuff i have and i have it ant fun then to go out and have someone take you'r car out for the win you'r telling me you would get mad . ya it's suppost to be fun but it ant when you get taken out not in 1 wekk but 2 week's in a row having to cut the car apart to fix it staying up all night the night before the race to beable to race you no i never said before till now there's 1 resine i sold all my stuff working on it by my self and the cheating going on plus the offical's i've had my run in's with them more then 1 time cost me the rookie of the year that 1 year

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by Jack_the_Bear on 08/30/06 at 9:08pm

I thought we have established that the 11 car was not using an ear piece. Let it go!

By the way, since your last source of information was so factual, you might want to check stats on Ventura Raceway. The 11 car has never been DQ.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by formercrewguy on 08/30/06 at 9:11pm

racing_fan wrote on 08/30/06 at 8:44pm:

................................huh?

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by imracin68j on 08/30/06 at 10:03pm

I tried to put together a Racer Translation:

Dario, you probably know as much as I do, however I was personally told that using a cell phone would be O.K. All this wouldn't happen if the officials did their job. Before you say he's legal maybe you should try checking some measurments on his car. Someone at my work said he quit racing at Ventura because he got caught cheating. I havn't seen that much rear stear since I helped out some Late Model guys. It's easy to buy a car that's been done up but building one from scratch is a different story. When you build it and have someone take you out, it makes the experience well.. shity. When someone takes you out 2 weeks in a row, it forces me to go out and work on the car all night. This results in the whole thing becoming not fun. This is the first time I'm saying this, I sold my ride because of all the cheating in the division and I'm sick of going at it with the officials. My run ins with them even cost me rookie of the year one year.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by hogracer3d on 08/30/06 at 10:08pm

steer Billy steer, got your point though :)

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by Sinbad on 08/30/06 at 10:49pm

Lets face it folks, from the beginning the officials did their job and racing_fan just has no clue. I thought that Kirstie Petersen spelled it out quite clearly that they had checked out every accusation and found no wrong doing.

"racing_fan" if you still don't get it, put up the protest money and shut up. I'm sure Andrew Greiman would love to take a few of us out to dinner on your behalf.

And to clear-up your latest little fantasy, Neither Andrew Greiman nor any of his cars have ever been disqualified anywhere period. The fact is, he is one hell of a driver and it sounds like you just can't except that fact.

I'm sure you plan on waisting a lot more of everybody's time with your manufactured nonsense.

I can't wait to see what you think up tomorrow, it's at least good for a laugh.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by imracin68j on 08/30/06 at 11:05pm

imracin68j wrote on 08/30/06 at 10:03pm:

Racer Translation:

Dario, you probably know as much as I do, however I was personally told that using a cell phone would be O.K. All this wouldn't happen if the officials did their job. Before you say he's legal maybe you should try checking some measurments on his car. Someone at my work said he quit racing at Ventura because he got caught cheating. I havn't seen that much rear steer since I helped out some Late Model guys. It's easy to buy a car that's been done up but building one from scratch is a different story. When you build it and have someone take you out, it makes the experience well.. shity. When someone takes you out 2 weeks in a row, it forces me to go out and work on the car all night, it starts becoming not fun. This is the first time I'm saying this, I sold my ride because of all the cheating in the division and I'm sick of going at it with the officials. My run ins with them even cost me rookie of the year one year.

THis is not my point as I dont even know what the hell the situation is.. I just wrote the translation of the story. Anyone see the part in airplane where they put captions under the jive talkers. Think of this as that.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by benstrans on 08/30/06 at 11:20pm

YOU are GOOD!

"Airplane" is my favorite movie and Your translation was right on the money.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by clay_oblong on 08/31/06 at 12:14am

My Gosh people!!!!!!!!!! Do us all a favor......use your

SPELL CHECK

(except Billy) I can get over the irritating whining, but the terrible spelling is oh soooo painful

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by formercrewguy on 08/31/06 at 5:39am

imracin68j wrote on 08/30/06 at 11:05pm:

lmaoooooooo........

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by FASTUNDERCAR on 08/31/06 at 6:16am

clay_oblong wrote on 08/31/06 at 12:14am:

My Gosh people!!!!!!!!!! Do us all a favor......use your

SPELL CHECK

(except Billy) I can get over the irritating whining, but the terrible spelling is oh soooo painful

you get a big AMEN from me on this one brother........AMEN!

peace..........mike

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by flagdude on 08/31/06 at 7:04am

Nice job Billy...... Was struggling with some of that....

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by the_dirt_hurt on 08/31/06 at 1:58pm

racing_fan wrote on 08/30/06 at 8:44pm:

Is it really any wonder that a person who cannot spell let alone articulate their thoughts, is complaining about racers cheating as their only way of being able to win?

The story is always the same at every track in the country; a racer is sharp and does his homework, thereby producing winning results on the racetrack but, there is always some other competitor who has to cry foul as there couldn't possibly be a legitimate reason for winning in such dominating fashion.

Look at the part of this guys post where he talks about staying up all night the friday before race day to work on his car. The guys that are winning races dont wait until the day before to do their work, most that I know start on monday and are usually done come weds night. Being prepared is half the battle.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by Sinbad on 08/31/06 at 2:51pm

the_dirt_hurt wrote on 08/31/06 at 1:58pm:

I agree completely, maybe racing_fan should stick to Bakersfield business and not worry so much about SMS.

It seems to me that he really has no reason to complain except to spread someone else’s misguided perceptions. He is probably voicing some friend’s frustration about not being able to achieve the points lead.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by racing_fan on 08/31/06 at 7:29pm

to the dirt hurt it's called working all week long hello plus it was wreck in the front and i had to cut the rear frame rail's out of it not to be mean but to get it done and race that following week leading and get taken out again by a lap car the car i sold i put more work in to that car then most . most mini's i no they eather sit on the trailer all week or at home and hardly worked on i had a shop just for the car at 1 point . every week i took that car apart make shear everything was ok . as for were that car is yes i no who's got it and i'm going to help get it back like it was it will be back at sms soon . you no i've been told time & time again my car with the driver in it could'nt beat the porche when it was there & that we could'nt beat darrin when he had his car well i proved it . i had'nt been in the car in all most 3 year's and i drove it the last 2 race's last year my first night out i had 3rd place then the last night was running good to . but all in all my car was washed on sunday's and put on jack stand's all week till friday night . sooo don't tell me about working on or keeping the car up & going

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by P.MARTIN SS11 on 09/01/06 at 7:31am

Your screen name is racing_fan I think you should change it to fan_racing just a thought...........

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by Frazier15 on 09/01/06 at 8:04am

racing_fan wrote on 08/31/06 at 7:29pm:

Billy? Translation?

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by clay_oblong on 09/01/06 at 8:42pm

HOLY COW BATMAN!!!
I don't think that there is any spell check in the world that can help that!!!!
Billy's got his work cut out for him.
We might have to refer that one to www.babelfish.com

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by clay_oblong on 09/01/06 at 8:53pm

Ok, I don’t have a lot of patience. So until Billy gets back to us with the racers translation to English.....for your entertainment pleasure, I give you the translation into Spanish. Keep in mind, "garbage-in garbage-out" so even if you can read Spanish, it still won’t make sense. But quite entertaining. Maybe we’ll do French or Italian next.
ENJOY!!!

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by hogracer3d on 09/01/06 at 8:55pm

Clay, I like your senze uf hummmer

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by clay_oblong on 09/01/06 at 8:56pm

a la suciedad lastimada le se llama trabajo de toda la semana hola más él era de largo ruina en el frente y tuve que cortar el carril del marco posterior fuera de él para no ser malo pero conseguirlo hecho y competir con eso semana de siguiente que conducía y conseguir tomados hacia fuera otra vez por un coche del regazo el coche que me vendí pusieron más trabajo adentro a ese coche entonces más. el i más mini ningún eather se sientan en el acoplado toda la semana o trabajado en el país y apenas encendido tenía una tienda apenas para el coche en 1 punto. cada semana tomé que el coche aparte hace esquileo que todo era aceptable. en cuanto a eran que el coche es sí i ningún que lo ha conseguido y voy a ayudar para conseguirlo detrás como era él estará detrás en los sms pronto. usted ningún me han dicho tiempo y tiempo otra vez mi coche con el conductor en él golpe del could'nt el porche cuando estaba allí y eso nosotros darrin del golpe del could'nt cuando él tenía su pozo del coche que lo probé. i el had'nt sido en el coche en todos la mayoría del 3 años y yo lo condujo mi primera noche de la raza pasada 2 el año pasado hacia fuera que tenía 3ro lugar entonces el ayer por la noche era funcionamiento bueno a. pero todo en todo mi coche fue lavado el domingo y puesto encendido alce con el gato toda la semana del soporte hasta la noche de viernes. el sooo no me dice sobre el trabajo encendido o mantener del coche ascendente y ir

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by hogracer3d on 09/01/06 at 8:57pm

I agree

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by JSD on 09/01/06 at 9:02pm

This thread is 1 for the record books!

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by imracin68j on 09/01/06 at 9:42pm

dirt hurt,

Maybe you don't know what it's like to work all day then start working on the racecar after. The car was a total wreck wreck in the front and i had to cut the rear frame rail's out, all before the following week. Then I lead the race and get taken out "AGAIN" by a lap car. I put more work into the car I sold than most people do. Some minis don't even make it off the trailer before the next race. Other hardly even work on them. At one point I had a shop just to work on my car. Every week I tore it apart to make sure everything was ok. As for who bought my car, yes I know and it will be back at the speedway soon as I plan to help him. Everyone told me I couldn't beat the porche or Darrin when he had a car out there. Guess what, I proved I could. i wasn't behind the wheel for almost three years and I finished off the last 2 races with a 3rd place finish and a strong run on the other night. But to all who read this, I always washed the car on Sunday and had it on jackstand working on it till Friday so don't tell me anything about not working on my car.

Team simkins and all it's affiliates are not to be held responsible for any point of views expressed in this translation.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by mudslinger47 on 09/01/06 at 10:06pm

Well, there's the problem, it was wrecked in the front and he cut the back off the week before he wrecked in-
wait maybe that is what happened before the following week which would be now I think, that makes my head hurt. lol Duane

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by racing_fan on 09/01/06 at 10:49pm

no fixed the front frame and everything else that was bent and the rear all in 1 week . replaced the frame rail's and leaf spring's and axel that was all junk and alot of the front end . yes everyone did'nt think we have it done but i did get it done . it was nice to have everyone look at the car how i fixed it it's not fun . not fix it with box tubing but put stock frame rail's back in place and 1 frame rail in the front and most of the cage all in a week's time . i left the shop sat morning at 3:30 to go to work at 7:00 then get off work at 12:00 to go finish it so we could race that night . even the offical's back then came & looked at it . they told me good job they liked seeing a car repaired that way . & not like everyone else's . like they used angle or box tubing

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by Jack_the_Bear on 09/01/06 at 11:23pm

Why does he continue the torture of our eyes and minds?

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by whoya on 09/02/06 at 9:03am

And California voted against school vouchers.....

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by FASTUNDERCAR on 09/02/06 at 10:22am

NAILIT wrote on 09/02/06 at 9:03am:

And California voted against school vouchers.....

VERY NICE REPLY!

peace.........................mike

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by 3dshoe on 09/02/06 at 2:33pm

clay_oblong wrote on 09/01/06 at 8:56pm:

Gracias

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by hschamp90 on 09/02/06 at 7:22pm

Racin_fan let it go. Next time you reply think before you type, so billy does not have to be your interperter. You need to take the "Billy Simkins English interpreter class". Sorry, just talkin crap.

Title: Re: not good in sms
Post by outlawaaron98 on 09/02/06 at 9:14pm

well now why dont we forget about the bs of who did waht to whos car and for how many cookies and worry about going fast and turning left and running a clean race and quit with the sms bako nuts and all get along and race like real men and not a bunch of boys on a go cart track and i aggree with billy we race hard and than work at a job all week and work on cars in our family time till friday sometimes sat afternoons and thats just for the love of racing .........

peace out.... Aaron